stillquietvoice
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The last 3 guns I've bought here in NY the 4473 check was done online.
Had to complete form but info was transferred to online center instead of a phone call.
80% lower logic?
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The last 3 guns I've bought here in NY the 4473 check was done online.
Had to complete form but info was transferred to online center instead of a phone call.
DustyGmt
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The 80% thing has interested me for some time, in privacy terms I think it's great, but more so I think it would be cool to take it one step further than your traditional AR "Build" and actually machine your own lower out.
It would give about 20% more credence when you claim "I built this". I'd like to do one but I dont have the tools right on hand just yet...
Sometimes I regret not going the 80% route when I think it would be nice to own something that only I could tell you exists, but then I think nobody's going to come take my guns, I probably won't allow it...
It would give about 20% more credence when you claim "I built this". I'd like to do one but I dont have the tools right on hand just yet...
Sometimes I regret not going the 80% route when I think it would be nice to own something that only I could tell you exists, but then I think nobody's going to come take my guns, I probably won't allow it...
dogtown tom
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First, there is no such thing as a "4473 check". The 4473 is the Firearm Transaction Record which is completed and signed by the buyer and the dealer. It is an ATF form.
The NICS background check, (which is a check on the buyer, not the firearm information on the 4473.......as I mentioned above can be done online or by phone. NICS is a service of the FBI and in most states, dealers contact the FBI directly. In states where they love knowing your business, a state agency is the POC or "point of contact".
AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN there is no ATF "Online Form 4473". If you really think there is..........then provide proof.
Everybody take a deep breath.
There's a difference between filling out a form on a computer using software and filling out an "online" form.
An "online form" would be a form that resides on a remote website and is filled out via the internet.
Filling out a form on a computer using software does not mean that the form is online, it only means that the form is being filled out on a computer.
When I type something into a document on my computer, I am not creating an online document. When I go to a remote website and edit or upload information to a form on that website, then I am creating/editing an online form.
The fact that some dealers are using software that allows the buyer to fill out a 4473 form on a computer is NOT evidence of the existence of an "online 4473".
An "online 4473" would be filled out via the internet. A software version of a 4473 form filled out on a computer does not even need the computer to be connected to the internet.
There's a difference between filling out a form on a computer using software and filling out an "online" form.
An "online form" would be a form that resides on a remote website and is filled out via the internet.
Filling out a form on a computer using software does not mean that the form is online, it only means that the form is being filled out on a computer.
When I type something into a document on my computer, I am not creating an online document. When I go to a remote website and edit or upload information to a form on that website, then I am creating/editing an online form.
The fact that some dealers are using software that allows the buyer to fill out a 4473 form on a computer is NOT evidence of the existence of an "online 4473".
An "online 4473" would be filled out via the internet. A software version of a 4473 form filled out on a computer does not even need the computer to be connected to the internet.
stillquietvoice
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No disrespect intended, but my last purchase was at first denied via internet because dealer entered information incorrectly. It was resubmitted correctly and approved. If this system was not connected to database how can a person be approved or denied?
If the dealer does your NICS online (which is one of the two options) and enters the wrong information about the buyer then it could be denied, just as yours was. Resubmitting the NICS with the correct information would then reverse the situation.
The NICS (which can be done online) is not the same thing as the 4473 which can be filled out on a computer using software but is not actually an "online form" because the information on the form doesn't leave the local computer.
It is sad that liberty in the future may rely on government sloth and incompetence.
dogtown tom
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Well, in fairness, we are putting a bunch of it on the charge card. I guess we can ask for a chargeback if we don't like what the government does. Have to ask Mastercard or Visa about the terms of the contract.We get the government we pay for.
WestKentucky
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Also for guys like me who are too cheap to pay for a transfer but are crafty enough to knock one out in a spare 30 or 45 minutes. Also, there are some people who are 45 minutes or more away from a gun shop that will do transfers. 80% makes a lot more sense when considering 2 hours drive time ona busy weekend, fuel, and transfer fees. To me that adds up to about $100 worth of unnecessary bull. So now, that $39.99 Anderson lower just cost $140 bucks where I could buy 3 or 4 poly 80% and a jig or a single aluminum 80% and a jig for the same money and end up with a similar product.
Speaking of, I need to order some 80% lowers.
Not really.
Depends on why you’re picking up that lower.
To plink and you’ll turn it in at the first sign of a government confiscation order? Yeah, in that case it probably defeats it.
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Or "I tried to machine it and ruined it"
virtually 100% of those with the skill to complete an 80% are aware of the legal standing. Its always a novelty and nothing more. There are thousands of 80%'s out there in the hideways of the "if da gubment takesem", but they will either never be used, or be sold to those who can, who always will comply with the law. As many say, the Federal government can actually track your 80% online purchase much easier than a 4473, because theres no federal registry, but the feds track everything else. The government is more likely to miss an actual belt fed machine gun than a Akins/bumpstock/Binary/80%. Its either a paperweight, or bragging. Nothing more. Having an 80% is always a felony for those who cant buy one. Those who can buy one don't usually bother. If I was a machine shop/gunsmith (MachIV style) I would have them as a demo (I couldn't sell them obviously). but thats it.
AlexanderA
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I honestly think the best use for "80%" lower receivers is not to machine them out, but to use them as is for building "dummy" guns while the real lower receivers "disappear." That's where all this is going.
That takes care of the AR-15's. We don't have such easy solutions for AR-180's, Daewoos, M1A's, BAR's, FAL's, HK's, etc., etc. depending on how they define AW's.
That takes care of the AR-15's. We don't have such easy solutions for AR-180's, Daewoos, M1A's, BAR's, FAL's, HK's, etc., etc. depending on how they define AW's.
Riomouse911
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In some States all firearms purchased through a dealer are registered with the State.
80% lower purchases are banned by the State, as is possession of a working firearm without a serial number.
Semi autos with scary “features” fed by detachable mags are no longer legally offered for sale, and those that were bought before the ban had to be registered with the State.
Every place is different... and their rules are different too. Sadly, don’t think for a minute that if certain people get elected these rules can’t someday come to your State, too.
Stay safe.
80% lower purchases are banned by the State, as is possession of a working firearm without a serial number.
Semi autos with scary “features” fed by detachable mags are no longer legally offered for sale, and those that were bought before the ban had to be registered with the State.
Every place is different... and their rules are different too. Sadly, don’t think for a minute that if certain people get elected these rules can’t someday come to your State, too.
Stay safe.
Trey Veston
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In a world in which I have been discussing needing a new mattress with a couple of friends in the presence of my cell phone, and then have mattress ads show up on multiple social media sites within minutes, I seriously doubt that the government can't figure out who has firearms and who doesn't.
The horse is out of the barn and the water is boiling. Most just don't know it.
The horse is out of the barn and the water is boiling. Most just don't know it.
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Coming and getting them from everyone is a different story.
If push comes to shove like that it would likely be somewhat like Ukraine. No sense in waiting for them to come to their homes.
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