Question regarding long range shooting and cva

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So, not new to shooting or reloading but somewhat new to the thought of long range shooting. I've usually been limited to 50/100yd ranges near me. There's a 1000 yard range opening soon very near to me. I know bolt actions are the most accurate for long range accuracy. My question is, I'm trying to build a relatively budget style, long range gun. Specifically for target shooting. I've read that bull barrel rifles assist a little more for things such as heat and being a little more steady (however, much of the rifles I've seen with nice barrels seem to be fairly pricey). Would like to accomplish a build under $1000, I've had a CVA V2 before in 4570 and seems to be really nice quality for a break action. Also happened to notice that same model in 6.5cm. Would a break action (specifically that model) have a chance at long range accuracy? Or do i Have to go with a bolt rifle? Any advice? Has anyone done this successfully? Thanks in advance!
 
No. A break action will not be repeatable enough to accomplish your goal.

A realistic budget is going to be $2K on up if you want to have a chance of not wasting your time.
 
So, not new to shooting or reloading but somewhat new to the thought of long range shooting. I've usually been limited to 50/100yd ranges near me. There's a 1000 yard range opening soon very near to me. I know bolt actions are the most accurate for long range accuracy. My question is, I'm trying to build a relatively budget style, long range gun. Specifically for target shooting. I've read that bull barrel rifles assist a little more for things such as heat and being a little more steady (however, much of the rifles I've seen with nice barrels seem to be fairly pricey). Would like to accomplish a build under $1000, I've had a CVA V2 before in 4570 and seems to be really nice quality for a break action. Also happened to notice that same model in 6.5cm. Would a break action (specifically that model) have a chance at long range accuracy? Or do i Have to go with a bolt rifle? Any advice? Has anyone done this successfully? Thanks in advance!
What kind of target shooting? Formal/competitive? Just dipping your toes? My compact scout lets me drill prairie dogs out to 370 yards (longest attempt so far 12 twist .223) and I'm VERY pleased with the accuracy I can get out of it, but I don't know I'd put it in any competitive scene......
 
Not really for competitive just playing around at the range. But, to me if it isn't (or I'm not) accurate, it's not as much fun. I feel like i should be able to make a 1000 yd rifle for $1000-$1500 but I'd prefer to make it for less. Kinda had my eyes on that particular model rifle. I know the caliber will make the distance but i wasn't sure if myself or the rifle can make the distance. Still a bummer, i had a feeling it wouldn't make it but was hoping someone better than i has made it work to give a lil hope at a light at the end of the tunnel but, suppose I'm going to have to work on saving for a pricier bolt action. By chance though, what is everyone's opinion, would it be better to (trying to keep the budget in mind) by a budget rifle (savage-mossberg-ruger-tc compass) and then put a little work into it (stock-trigger-scope), or buy an $800 rifle or so and put a decent optic on it? Do i Have to use a bull barrel at those distances or will a standard barrel work? What would the repercussions be of using a standard barrel? Sorry for all the questions, just new to long range stuff but would really love to make a 1000yd shot.
 
Work up to 1000. If you've been limited to 100 yards then going to 300-400 isn't that big of a jump. Beyond 400 you really need better gear, especially optics. To be honest 600 is as far as I've shot but I'd spend some time at 300-400 before going that far.

If you can afford it I'd go with this in 6.5 CM. Street price is around $1000, but I bought mine in 308 used for under $700. My nieces husband recently paid about the same for a used one in 6.5 CM. These are amazingly accurate rifles for the price. It would be really pushing things to shoot my 308 to 1000, but the 6.5 is still in the game well past 1000 yards. But I'm not yet ready for 1000, plus 600 is the longest range I have access to. I do have access to a farm where I could go well past 1000.

https://www.tikka.fi/en-us/rifles/tikka-t3x/t3x-compact-tactical-rifle

I also have this in 6.5 CM. I paid $389 OTD for mine and it is accurate enough to go to 1000. I've shot it, and my 308 with good results at 600.
https://ruger.com/products/americanRiflePredator/specSheets/6973.html

Best buy for optics is this.

https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-10x42-tactical-30mm-riflescope-6.html?___SID=U

These are very well thought of for an entry level long distance scope. They were $199 during a Black Friday special and there is a sample page on this website where they sell used or returned items heavily discounted. There are several listed there under $250. They make the fixed powers in 6X, 10X, 12X, 16X, and 20X, all at the same price. I've had one of the 6X's for a few months and have used it at 600 yards. The 6X and 10X versions are considered the best with the 12X considered acceptable. The 16X and 20X just aren't as clear and most advise avoiding them. I've looked through the 6X, and 10X and highly recommend them. The 20X I looked through I'd not want.

I KNOW my $390 rifle with a $300 scope on it works fine out to 600. I'd have little doubt that it would do fine at 1000 when I'm ready to shoot that far.

 
A break action rifle has particular challenges built into it such as the forend bedding, the consistancy of the lockup, and issues of headspacing that make building a very accurate break action rifle more challenging than a bolt action. That’s not to say it can’t be done. One of the most accurate rifles I’ve ever shot was a Thompson Center Encore with a custom barrel.

All that being said though I can’t really think of any reason I would chose one over a bolt action when building a long range target gun. There are so many ecconomical options for bolt actions that shoot so well these days.
 
Look at maybe a Tikka CTR or Tikka varmint model

bergara b-14 HMR

howa barreled action from brownells, drop into a good stock or chassis

6.5 creed, 308 win or 223 rem for easy ammo access and good performance out to distance



make sure you budget for glass, $500+ At least and good scope rings (about $100, Burris Xtr rings, vortex precision matches etc)
 
Buy as much accuracy as you can afford. When shooting at longer distances you need to be able to discern if your misses are due to you, your rifle, your ammo or the wind. It’s a game of elimination.

Of those 4 variables, the rifle is the easiest to control. All it takes is a credit card :thumbup:
 
Double your rifle budget, but the rifle won't be the issue if you miss.

MPA BA PMR Competition Rifle

Also comes fully ready to rock.

MPA BA PMR Competition "Ready" Rifle

Yea, it's a big expenditure, but you'll never have to second guess your purchase.

Aside from something serious like the MPA rifle, Ruger, Howa, Begara, all make "Long Distance" rifles in the 1K range. Then ad a $500 to $1000 scope. $1500 to $2000 total.

You're going to handicap yourself building a 1K rifle setup for around $1000 total money. That doesn't mean you can't do it, you can, and get hits on big steel and have fun. And I get it, if the budget is 1K, well, then the budget is 1K.

Some examples

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=$1000+long+distance+rifle+build
 
i'm going to share my thoughts on the matter, which most people don't like to hear. feel free to ignore them.

shooting long range is expensive if you want to develop any sort of effective, reliable ability to hit practical sized targets. spending several thousand on hardware just gets your foot in the door and will pale in comparison to what you spend on ammo.

as stated above, it is possible to get hits on big steel at 1000 for $2000 total or even less. but then what? in my experience, i've seen two things happen. guy is super excited for 2-3 trips to the range, then gets bored and never comes back. or, guy is super excited and starts selling other guns, boats, 4wheelers, golf crap, etc, working over time, whatever to upgrade to something that is more capable, and ammo to practice.

in either case, the initial $2k investment is usually wasted, sitting idle in a closet, or sold for half of the initial price.

so my advice is rent a gun from the range. or borrow someone's. find a way to experience the sport a few times with minimal investment and see if you're hooked.
 
find a way to experience the sport a few times with minimal investment and see if you're hooked.

That is worth quoting often. Me, I’m hooked on hunting, most of it inside 200 yards. I’d love to chase big stretches but don’t have the real estate, time, or proficiency in each facet of the discipline to participate effectively. I wouldn’t mind trying it to see if I’m able, but the allure isn’t enough to reel me away. Besides, I don’t want to sell my clubs, tackle, or woodworking tools just yet.
 
Break action are a pain shooting prone or from a bench too much movement and having to reposition for the next shot. Yes I know you have to for a bolt but its not near as much as a break action.I have and enjoy shooting them TCs and H&Rs but its still more bother than a bolt.
 
I chased the accuracy rabbit for awhile, mostly for the purpose of varmint hunting. I got burned out it because of the time spent at the reloading bench and the money I was spending on components chasing group sizes. Now I get more pleasure working up loads for deer rifles and plinking at steel plates with pistols. No desire to get back into it. Rather spend the time and money elsewhere.
 
There are plenty of rifles under $500 that will print well under 1” at 100 yards. Some will print half that. If I were building a cheap rifle to shoot 1000 yards for fun, I’d buy a Savage 12FV, replace the stock, and add a rail. The glass will be the biggest expense. Will you win any competitions? You will with your buddies against their hunting rifles.

I have an old friend who is really big into prairie dog hunting. He has his $4k dedicated dog gun that he built, not including his NF scope. He also has confirmed 2 shot kills at over 1,000 yards with a bone stock Remington 700 VSSF in 223 with hand loads that he takes as a “cool off” rifle. A 223!!! Call it luck. Claim it’s not repeatable. But he does it every year. I wish I was half the marksman he is.
 
I'll hit on one thing that hasn't been mentioned. If you close the action with varying force, it can change the point of impact.
I'll echo the people who say good glass is needed. I upgraded scopes until I got to the prostaff 7 and was happy. A prostaff 5 is the minimum for me and I only shoot to 500 yards.
 
Give yourself a big enough target, and meter your expectations appropriately, and any 6.5 creedmoor which prints 1-1.5” groups at 100yrds will let you casually plink at 1,000yrds on big targets.

More expensive bolt action rifles will be a lot better for the task.

This is a good and realistic point. Not everyone who wants to try shooting at long range is going to be jumping head first into a gun game like PRS and shooting tons of matches around the country, expectations and goals matter.

While there is truth to the statement that if you get into the long range games you'll probably want to upgrade at some point, that doesn't make the purchase of a cheaper starter rifle a waste. I started with a Tikka CTR .308 and an SWFA SS fixed 12 mil/mil. I had fun shooting a few matches and working on my techniques out to 800 yds at the local range. I could have bought pretty much any rig out there, but there's no way I would have dropped $7k right out of the gate, the $1,200 price of that setup was stomachable for a newb looking to try something different. No one was offering to just lend me their long range rig for a few months to let my try it out, so the choice was either the starter rifle or a different hobby.

I still shoot a starter rifle, an RPR, but have a much nicer scope now, the fixed 12x and the SWFA SS 3-15 that was on the RPR first are still chugging along on ARs. I've won a few local matches and get out to my 1,000 yd range most weekends outside of hunting season. I'm sure I wouldn't be competitive at a national PRS match, but I can be competitive at my local matches and always enjoy my time shooting at the range and out on public land, those are my goals and I'm not sure a custom Impact rig would better help me meet them.

All of that said, the OP should definitely ditch the break action idea and pick up a decent rifle and starter scope instead.

Some good starter rifle options would be:

Ruger Precision Rifle
Tikka CTR
Bergara B-14 HMR

I'd go 6mm or 6.5mm Creedmoor, they are the easy button chamberings, good factory ammo available everywhere and they are much better than .308 at long range.

For cheaper scopes you either want a fixed power or a first focal plane so that your reticle remains useable at all magnifications. Reliability is key, if your scope won't hold zero, or doesn't have repeatable adjustments, it and any rifle it's attached to are useless. Reliability, glass quality and extra features all cost money, the only one you absolutely have to have is reliability.

This is where the SWFA SS series of scopes come in, the fixed power scopes are pretty much the bottom floor for reliable dialing scopes. The reticles are a bit simplistic, and the turrets are only 5 mil/rotation, but they work and if for some reason they ever cease to work, SWFA replaces them. For a little over twice the price, the SWFA FFP 3-15x42 gives you variable power with reliability, features are still limited and image quality is adequate. Above that you get into Burris XTR II, PST II, Athlon Chronos and Ares ETR, etc.

The point is, if you are interested in long range shooting, don't let rumminations on having to spend several thousand dollars out of the gate scare you off, you can have fun and start building your skills for a $1,500 initial investment or even less if you buy used or catch some deals.
 
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I actually don't have any rifles atm. I sold them awhile back to get into handguns. For the longest time i wasn't making much money so i essentially had to trade if i ever wanted something diff to try. Now I'm back financially ateast to try and get into long range but even then my limits still stuck at $1000. I was looking to try and spend around $500 on a decent optic (friend of mine has a 40% off leo discount for vortex's). Roughly another 500 for a rifle /boyds stock. I'm finding that chassis(?), are apparently better than stocks which creates another issue in price point. That's why i was kind of hoping to go with a cva scout v2. Relatively cheap rifle, 6.5cm for the ballistic side of it, amd the rest on a scope. But.. Seeing as how that isn't gonna work I've just been trying to do all the research i can on the matter. Seems like a tc compass in a nice long(ish) range caliber, $275, $400 on a chassis, the rest on the best optic i can for the price. That's my thoughts so far.
 
Don't overlook the used rifle market. Look at the classifieds on sites like Accurateshooter.com or Benchrest Central. Maybe even Gunbroker. I'm looking at a 6BR right now that I'm going to buy after Christmas, if it has not sold. Its a trued Remington 700 action, McMillan stock, Kreiger barrel, Jewell trigger and a NF scope for $1750. It will come with a set of Redding dies and some brass. And has a low round count. It would be and was competitive at 600 or 1000 yards.
 
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