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The 380 does something a 22lr can't.
It puts a 9mm entrance hole in stuff.
Back in ww1 days didn't they consider a 380 "big" at least over in Europe?
It puts a 9mm entrance hole in stuff.
Back in ww1 days didn't they consider a 380 "big" at least over in Europe?
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Back in ww1 there was no obese people lol.
I carry a .380 daily, but I wonder if it will penetrate all the heavy winter clothes people wear here in the winter, or stop a really large attacker.
I carry a .380 daily, but I wonder if it will penetrate all the heavy winter clothes people wear here in the winter, or stop a really large attacker.
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A 380 will definitely be enough to ruin the weekend plans for a would be attacker.
The coyotes around here (the intended live target for the 380 carbine) are kind lean especially in the winter which is when I see/shoot most of them.
The coyotes around here (the intended live target for the 380 carbine) are kind lean especially in the winter which is when I see/shoot most of them.
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Got the 380 carbine muzzel threaded, waiting on form 1 to come back to make its little silencer.
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To answer the question:
Buy the 380 for the wife and let her decide. Sounds like a fit for her and your ammo situation
Yes, they are ugly but they work!
Buy the 380 for the wife and let her decide. Sounds like a fit for her and your ammo situation
Yes, they are ugly but they work!
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The 380 carbine uses like 9x19 mags, I haven't loaded up any way over COAL 380 rounds with 115gr "9mm luger bullets" yet, but when I do I expect them to load in the mag, with room to spare and feed.
Ballistics by the inch dot com says they can get up to an extra 200fps on a long barrel.
I want to load 115s so I can get a "plus pee" 380 that's subsonic.
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Agreed. The .380 is a pocket-pistol round. Using it in a carbine makes no sense. You would be willingly giving up a lot of the potential of the carbine.
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By that logic any pistol round in a long gun makes no sense.
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The tradition of pistol-caliber long guns goes back to the early Winchesters. I'm not disputing that. Pistol-caliber carbines have their place. The M1 Carbine is a prime example. But the M1 Carbine also uses an uploaded, or beefed-up, pistol cartridge. What doesn't make sense is to use a downloaded pistol cartridge (such as the .380) in a carbine.
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FWIW, and in case you weren't aware, a 9x19 carbine purposely using Beretta mags can also be made from a AR15 lower.
https://getstern.com/magazine-adapters/beretta/
https://getstern.com/magazine-adapters/beretta/
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Every part of that logical fallacy applies to 22LR also.
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I would just buy the Beretta carbine that takes 92 magazines.
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I have an M1 carbine project too. Problem with the M1 carbine is it has a noisy short stroke gas system, clunky locking bolt, the arcane 1:20 twist rate pretty means I'm stuck with super sonic ammo if I want it to cycle.
If I want quiet, the 380 will do a way better job.
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It's intended to quietly put 9mm holes in coyotes at under 150 yards, normally it will be more like 10 feet to 10 yards. BC is irrelevant.
Shot guns have an impossibly low BC and they seem to work pretty good in the right applications.
Shot guns have an impossibly low BC and they seem to work pretty good in the right applications.
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mokin
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Maybe....
It sounds like a ton of fun to me. Just from a perspective of "the joy of shooting".
Alaskan Ironworker
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Sounds like fun to me also, like shooting a 10-22 but with a bigger wad of lead flying downrange.
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I know I should let this go but y'all got me thinking....
About a month ago I loaded 200 rounds of .380 ammunition. It put about zero dent in my stockpile. I ran a few numbers and figure with a progressive press, .380 is less expensive than .22.
Like I said, I need to let this go....
About a month ago I loaded 200 rounds of .380 ammunition. It put about zero dent in my stockpile. I ran a few numbers and figure with a progressive press, .380 is less expensive than .22.
Like I said, I need to let this go....
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I'm thinking, too... .
Last year I got bored and started reloading all of my accumulation of 9mm and ,380 brass.
By the time that I was done I had about 70 pounds of loaded .380 rounds,,, and only two pocket guns in this caliber.
Maybe a .380 PCC might make sense, after all.
mokin
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I reckon a pcc in .380 is less expensive than therapy for a repetitive motion injury.
Just sayin'...
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