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Got a revolver for fairly cheap. Shoots well, feels nice everything on it seems quality but from the tiny tiny flecs of info I could scavenge it looks like this was some spanish made gun. I've seen a post from some guy saying it was a "pot metal" gun. However I've put 6 cylinders of 38 special through it and my hands are still attached. So.... I really don't know. 20200129_083938.jpg 20200129_083938.jpg 20200129_083924.jpg 20200129_085721.jpg
 
The grips are from a Victory Model pre Model 10 that someone completely destroyed so ignore those.
 
Lol. I mean it is clearly designed to replicate the model 10. Which is fine for me. I love the model 10. But I want to know what on earth it actually is.
 
LLama?
I think they made revolvers as well as the 1911 type pistol, for a while.

Star?
I know they made revolvers.

Those are the only two Spanish makers I can think of at the moment.

My first thought was Rossi, but they are in Brazil.
 
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I'm not entirely certain that it is Spanish. That's what I found from spurious sources on the net. I had no way to identify that Trademark. Nor any idea why it sais "Best American Cartridges are Those that Fit Best"

On the top of the barrel.
 
Orbea Hermanos

Spanish firm went out of business in 1926 likely because S&W took them and 21 other Spanish Companies to court in 1922 for patenet infringements and won

Before this they made S&W top break semi clones and I believe sold one to the UK during WWI in .455

Before that they made pinfires and transitionals based on pinfire designs

-kBob
 
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Orbea Hermanos

Spanish firm went out of business in 1926 likely because S&W took them and 21 other Spanish Companies to court in 1922 for patenet infringements and won

Before this they made S&W top break semi clones and I believe sold one to the UK during WWI in .455

Before that they made pinfires and transitionals based on pinfire designs

-kBob
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That's originally what I thought but the writing on the top has C.H. and the logo on the side doesn't match the Obrea Hermanos logo
 
kBob said:
Orbea Hermanos

Spanish firm went out of business in 1926 likely because S&W took them and 21 other Spanish Companies to court in 1922 for patenet infringements and won

Before this they made S&W top break semi clones and I believe sold one to the UK during WWI in .455

Before that they made pinfires and transitionals based on pinfire designs

-kBob
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Ok someone else identified it. It's apparently a Crucelegui Hermanos revolver!

Welp.... mystery solved! Thank you everyone
 
It sez: C.H. Revolver on the barrel. There are a few S&W copies like this for sale on like Guns America.
 
there were a few Spanish revolver makers that made guns that looked like either a S&W or a Colt. Most notable were those in the Eibar Province, like CH , Guisasola and the Orbea brothers They are of questionable quality & strength. Not pot metal, but usually a low grade steel that hasn't been heat treated, poor timing, rough rifling, etc. At some points in time they weren't terrible depending on manufacturer but the were never great
 
The CH revolvers were one of several early Spanish copies of S&W revolvers. They're not "pot metal", but they're not modern steel either. Some of them had cast iron frames. Explosive disassembly is a real possibility. I wouldn't shoot it. The grips are worth more than the gun.
 
Ok folks as an update to the thread I'd like to address the naysayers.

First thing I did was take this gun to a few smiths and then a friend of mine who has been working with guns since the Mosin cost 50 bucks. All but one told me "this gun is old but it's perfectly safe to shoot"

Now I wanted to know for certain, so I took Old Faithful to the range and put an entire box of standard FMJs through it.

Now not only did this gun suffer no damage, it was fantastically accurate.

A little odd to shoot simply due to how it's designed, so you have to aim a bit lower than you would with an auto loader. But in the right hands I suspect this "pot metal" gun could thread a round through the centre of a dime at 25 yards.


Hopefully this sea of misinformation can end here with this thread.

As an addendum, if you do pick up on of these Eibar knockoffs please bring it to a smith or knowledgable person before you shoot it. Yes my gun works beautifully but not all guns were created equal.
 
Just out of curiosity, what did it cost you by the time you took your gun to "a few smiths"? Don't most of them charge for a safety/function check? That could turn a cheap gun purchase into an expensive one quickly.
Tyras said:
Ok folks as an update to the thread I'd like to address the naysayers.

First thing I did was take this gun to a few smiths and then a friend of mine who has been working with guns since the Mosin cost 50 bucks. All but one told me "this gun is old but it's perfectly safe to shoot"

Now I wanted to know for certain, so I took Old Faithful to the range and put an entire box of standard FMJs through it.

Now not only did this gun suffer no damage, it was fantastically accurate.

A little odd to shoot simply due to how it's designed, so you have to aim a bit lower than you would with an auto loader. But in the right hands I suspect this "pot metal" gun could thread a round through the centre of a dime at 25 yards.


Hopefully this sea of misinformation can end here with this thread.

As an addendum, if you do pick up on of these Eibar knockoffs please bring it to a smith or knowledgable person before you shoot it. Yes my gun works beautifully but not all guns were created equal.
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Just out of curiosity, what did it cost you by the time you took your gun to "a few smiths"? Don't most of them charge for a safety/function check? That could turn a cheap gun purchase into an expensive one quickly.
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Cost me nothing. I know pretty much every smith and every gun shop owner in 20 miles and I'm friendly with all of them.

You'd be suprised how much you save when you make friends with shop owners.

Sometimes when I forget my wallet getting crickets at the exotic reptile shop they just let me walk out with my orders and let me pay them later.

Some gun shops give me free ammo, 100s off guns, free targets and other deals.
 
Tyras said:
Cost me nothing. I know pretty much every smith and every gun shop owner in 20 miles and I'm friendly with all of them.

You'd be suprised how much you save when you make friends with shop owners.

Sometimes when I forget my wallet getting crickets at the exotic reptile shop they just let me walk out with my orders and let me pay them later.

Some gun shops give me free ammo, 100s off guns, free targets and other deals.
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Wow you sure seem to have that whole networking thing down to a science.
The bank gives me free pens, but only when I don't put it back in the drive thru tube. LOL.
 
Here is a list of every country who used or reproduced the the S&W M&P .38 special that I found on Google.
 
ontarget said:
Wow you sure seem to have that whole networking thing down to a science.
The bank gives me free pens, but only when I don't put it back in the drive thru tube. LOL.
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Pretty much. If I'm interested in something that involves purchases I network with the owners and it pays off.

I have a company I buy reef cleaners (saltwater crabs snails sea stars etc) now they give me about 200$ worth of cleaners when I put in a 30$ order. It's to the point where I have to actually give away half the stuff they send me cuz I don't have space for em.
 
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