Chronograph recommendations?

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You know, OP is retired and already posted that budget is tight.
I'm also on a tight budget. Thoughts/recommendations?
Not everybody needs a Dillon 650/750 with case feeder to start out reloading. I have 14 presses including 650 with case feeder but find myself using Auto Breech Lock Pro most of time for ease of caliber change/load development (Hands down, there is no faster/easier caliber conversion for progressive - None). So while I like my Dillon 550/650 (Actually, I like C-H 3/4 station H type presses more), I would strongly suggest to a new reloader the ABLP/Pro 4000 if they are reloading mostly pistol calibers and short rifle cartridge at MUCH lower price point (Like $1000 less including caliber conversions).

Heck, not everybody needs a progressive press if monthly round count shot is low.

I still stand by my post that OP starting out reloading on a tight budget DOES NOT NEED a chrono and that money could be spent on something more essential.

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OP "thinks" a chrono is needed, but a chrono is not needed to get started in reloading, especially if you are on a tight budget still buying initial basic reloading equipment (That's why I PMed the OP to see what equipment has been purchases/obtained so far).

Will a chrono help? Yes.

Does the OP "need" a chrono? No.

Over the decades, I have helped set up plenty of new reloaders. Last year, I sent a complete Pro 1000 reloading kit to a fellow THR member and got 2 coworkers started reloading (9mm/40S&W/.308 and the other 9mm/40S&W/260 Remington) with "O" ring Single Stage and Pro 1000 presses all on "Pay It Forward" basis.

Thanks to many THR members who donated additional reloading equipment last year, I currently have enough to PIF two to three complete reloading set up for single stage with me contributing Pro 1000 presses and likely new measuring tools (Calipers, scales, check weights, pin gages).

Depending on what OP already has, I could likely PIF a complete reloading kit along with some reloading components to get him started. Perhaps, this way, OP will have money to buy a chrono. :D

Standing by for PM response.
 
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You don't have to worry about the weather or inconsistencies of other chronos. Buy once and cry once.
This was really what tipped the scales for me.

I loaded for a year without a chrono and never really knew the actual velocity I was getting from the published loads I was using. I finally won a Competitions Electronics one and it showed me that my load was way off from what I expected. It really helped me work up loads with some confidence in trying to reach performance goals with different pistols in the same caliber. It also allowed me to try different powders and seating depths with different bullets (jacketed, plated, coated)

What constantly drove me up the wall were loads that were supposed to read <1100fps producing readings >1600fps...that is how I discovered the affect that lighting and weather had on chrono readings.

I got lucky as I was mentoring a new reloader and showing him how to use my chrono and how useful it was. He asked if there was a more stable/reliable chrono and I mentioned the Labradar. The next time we went out to test loads...he had on. It really is everything they say it is
 
Not a helpful reply, but I bought an Oehler, and yep - I shot it.
I strongly recommend to the OP and others who buy the “shoot through” chono’s to construct a boo-boo plate, essentially a heavy metal plate to deflect errant projectiles. And to lose the metal rods that support the sky screens in favor of more breakables and replaceable wooden ones. These will help until you bite the bullet, so to speak, and get a Labradar!
 
I still don’t get killing a chronograph. In the video in #15, take a look at the plate rack 60 yards away, the rifle is aimed at the center plate that’s smaller than the window the chronograph has. Aim to keep from hitting the thing.

I can set up targets, all smaller than the area the sensors on a chronograph can pick up, at a number of different ranges and hit them all with a single bullet, if I don’t want to hit a chronograph with the bullet, I would make sure the load is accurate enough to justify knowing how fast it’s going and then put the chronograph below it’s flight path, simple.



Hitting a steel plate a few feet in front of the muzzle might be worse than just destroying plastic if you can’t aim above it.

The only time I hit a chronograph with a projectile was when I didn’t know where the bullet would impact. It was foolish to want to know the velocity at that point but someone started a “how low can you go?” Thread and I didn’t have an answer, until I tried.

I started high and when I went one pump less than this, the pellet hit the table first and bounced into the chronograph, at least it didn’t hurt it.

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I went 35+ yrs without one. Like said you don't absolutely need one to do a load development. But it is nice to have the numbers. I look at it as another tool we can use to help us refine our hand loading skills. It will tell you how consistent (SD's) are. But to tell the truth, some of my best loads have very high SD's. But the harmonics match the barrel so they shoot accurate in most all conditions.

CE Digital Pro model with the Blue tooth adapter. The newer model has the BT built it.
 
I disagree!..... depending on the discipline but I NEED a chronograph and the OP says he needs one and I believe him! I’ve owned them all I think except the Labrador, most are junk and the only one I have ever shot out of the multitude I’ve owned was on purpose!..... After I got my first oelner 35p it wasn’t long and I bought a second one.there very good and I seldom get a error but there almost $600 and there bulky! I know your budget is tight and I totally get that but if you could save up and get the Labrador you wouldn’t be disappointed from what I’ve read I for sure am going to one day soon. If your forced to spend $200 or under buy the magnospeed there a pita! But they catch every Bullet if setup proper,.... you poi will be off but you can get all the info you will need.
Wayne
 
Yeah, some would argue I don’t need another gun (and they might be correct) but if I want another one, I need to fill that void I created without judgment.

I also have never told my wife she doesn’t need anymore purses or shoes.
 
I dunno how people shoot their chronos (and im not making fun or saying they are doing anything wrong, just never come close personally), Ive shot thru mine at 100yds and never actually put a round into it, havent had a near miss...or hit? either.....but anyway...
I have to a Prochrono digi, and a Magneto speed v3. If found them to be within 50fps of each other with the prochrono being slower, which could simply be that its 15-20' in front of the barrel.

I find the prochrono digi to be more usefull because i can check my bows and other stuff, the Magneto speed is easier to use and far less finicky. I REALLY like having both for times i get a really weird reading on the V3...at that point i simply shoot thru both.


Now i also dont feel that a chrono is a necessary part of your "average" reloaders kit. Its a VERY nice to have, and can save you tons of work, but its not a requirement.

If im going to give a recommendation as to WHAT chrono to get, especially for a new user, or as an ONLY chrono, id get the prochrono digi. Its simple effective, and if you happen to shoot it wont be super expensive to replace.
 
I've seen online were guys testing shotshell had the wad hit there chronograph. I remember when I was a kid around 99-00 a hunting show were they shot a turkey. Looked about 30 yards, the other Turkey about 4-5 feet away dropped dead to. They had a pretty good camera for back then, so they we're able to slow the the shot down. The wad went straight then at the last few feet turned and smacked the Turkey in the head lol.

But I guess guys that shoot there chronograph maybe in a rush, or did not know were the gun was hitting.
 
When I shot mine, I was turning to see where the brass landed. I pulled the shot twisting to find the brass. I wanted to see the primer.
 
1) A person might not NEED a chronograph to reload, but they also don’t NEED to reload, don’t NEED to shoot at all. However, I personally find all of the above to be pretty damned nice to have in my life. I‘m coming up on 25 years of reloading, and I didn’t use a chronograph for about the first 10 - today, I own 3 chronographs and consider them a critical part of my kit. I did all of the same types of shooting I do now when I didn’t have a chronograph, but if my house burned down tonight and I started over tomorrow, a chrony would be high on my list.

2) I’ve never caused a car accident, but I wear my seat belt - because accidents happen. It’s not really productive to play the “I don’t understand how someone could be so stupid to shoot their chrony” card. Around 40 million Americans regularly use tobacco products, people do stupid things ON PURPOSE with high regularity, so we can’t really condemn folks for slipping on ice from time to time. The opportunity to accidentally shoot your chronograph isn’t substantial enough that I would say a person should not buy a shoot-through type - but it’s good advice to consider which brands replace the unit at low to no cost, and which brands don’t. I’ve never shot my chronograph, but I DID have to have one replaced once when a big wind gust knocked over my weighted tripod - apparently not weighted enough - and my chrony broke when it crashed to the ground. CE replaced it, no issues, only cost a little for shipping.

3) The mission dictates the kit. If long range shooting and hunting are involved, or any competition, especially those with speed limits or power factor standards, then a chronograph is highly valuable, even considered required. Whether you own it, rent it, or borrow it, you’ll need it. If you’re plinking 38 specials in your backyard, you won’t.

4) When someone says they only reload for 2 cartridges, a few red flags go up. First questions are: a) How much are they really shooting? and b) Which cartridges - are they table fare or boutique/wildcats? Both of these are serving to ask the real question: c) Do they really need to reload at all? If they’re not shooting high volume and only shooting relatively common cartridges, then they likely are wasting money to reload. If they’re shooting high volume, then budget goes out the window and they should be running a progressive press, and wouldn’t benefit from a chronograph at all - do load development one time and then load a million rounds. If they’re shooting a boutique cartridge, even at low volume, they would need/want to reload, but may not benefit from a chronograph, again, because they can do one load work up and then load that forever.

5) If load development and hand loading (not reloading) is your hobby, then a chronograph is invaluable. If you’re working up a lot of specialty loads for these two cartridges to accomplish different tasks, or enjoy diving into data for different loads, then the chrony data is great.

6) I have had multiple chronographs: Oehler 35, CE ProChrono Digital, Pact chrony/shot timer, Chrony Beta and F1, Magnetospeed Sporter & V3, and the LabRadar. I have shot over the Caldwell units extensively with other shooters. Currently, I only keep the ProChrono Digital, Magnetospeed V3, and the LabRadar. The LabRadar is ridiculously expensive and would be wasted for a budget reloader who is only reloading 2 cartridges. The V3 is awesome for rifles, but is also expensive, and doesn’t work for most handguns - same for the sporter except NO handguns. The ProChrono is cheap, versatile, and it works great for the money, and will for years. On a budget, the ProChrono is the only one I would put money into. A LabRadar would be a terrible investment for our OP.

7) Consider the value of the products you’re buying in your actual process. Personally, in the year 2020, with a limited budget, I would say a chronograph is money better spent for most 2 cartridge reloaders than having the same ~$100 sank into 3 reloading manuals. So much data is available for free online, and forums like this are great sources to ask for a photo of one specific page. Equally, if a guy is casually reloading for two cartridges - as a long time reloader AND a professional process technology developer - I’d suggest money spent on check weights would be more wasted than it would be on a chronograph. Accuracy to a standard is less critical than repeatability, and any of the name brand gear out there will be more than reliable enough for what we’re doing in the reloading room. I have around $7,000 in weighing/massing equipment on my bench - even with the ability to measure down to the kernel, I see very little value in certified check weights. There might be a half or dozen things of higher value than a chronograph, for example, any of the production process tools like dies, press, trays, powder funnel, etc, but for load development and analytics, the chronograph holds a lot of value. I could personally support saving money by buying Lee dies instead of RCBS or Hornady to put that difference towards a chrony. I’d rather have a chrony and use a powder drop and hand trickler instead of an electronic powder dispenser, if it came down to choosing by cost (and that’s saying something, as I HATE loading without an automated dispenser).
 
When I shot mine, I was turning to see where the brass landed. I pulled the shot twisting to find the brass. I wanted to see the primer.

That’s why I have the setup in the first photo of #17. There is enough brass behind my shop even if I watched where the case hit the ground I might not pick up the right one unless it’s still warm. A lot easier just to pick it out of the net.
 
1) A person might not NEED a chronograph to reload, but they also don’t NEED to reload, don’t NEED to shoot at all. However, I personally find all of the above to be pretty damned nice to have in my life. I‘m coming up on 25 years of reloading, and I didn’t use a chronograph for about the first 10 - today, I own 3 chronographs and consider them a critical part of my kit. I did all of the same types of shooting I do now when I didn’t have a chronograph, but if my house burned down tonight and I started over tomorrow, a chrony would be high on my list.

2) I’ve never caused a car accident, but I wear my seat belt - because accidents happen. It’s not really productive to play the “I don’t understand how someone could be so stupid to shoot their chrony” card. Around 40 million Americans regularly use tobacco products, people do stupid things ON PURPOSE with high regularity, so we can’t really condemn folks for slipping on ice from time to time. The opportunity to accidentally shoot your chronograph isn’t substantial enough that I would say a person should not buy a shoot-through type - but it’s good advice to consider which brands replace the unit at low to no cost, and which brands don’t. I’ve never shot my chronograph, but I DID have to have one replaced once when a big wind gust knocked over my weighted tripod - apparently not weighted enough - and my chrony broke when it crashed to the ground. CE replaced it, no issues, only cost a little for shipping.

3) The mission dictates the kit. If long range shooting and hunting are involved, or any competition, especially those with speed limits or power factor standards, then a chronograph is highly valuable, even considered required. Whether you own it, rent it, or borrow it, you’ll need it. If you’re plinking 38 specials in your backyard, you won’t.

4) When someone says they only reload for 2 cartridges, a few red flags go up. First questions are: a) How much are they really shooting? and b) Which cartridges - are they table fare or boutique/wildcats? Both of these are serving to ask the real question: c) Do they really need to reload at all? If they’re not shooting high volume and only shooting relatively common cartridges, then they likely are wasting money to reload. If they’re shooting high volume, then budget goes out the window and they should be running a progressive press, and wouldn’t benefit from a chronograph at all - do load development one time and then load a million rounds. If they’re shooting a boutique cartridge, even at low volume, they would need/want to reload, but may not benefit from a chronograph, again, because they can do one load work up and then load that forever.

5) If load development and hand loading (not reloading) is your hobby, then a chronograph is invaluable. If you’re working up a lot of specialty loads for these two cartridges to accomplish different tasks, or enjoy diving into data for different loads, then the chrony data is great.

6) I have had multiple chronographs: Oehler 35, CE ProChrono Digital, Pact chrony/shot timer, Chrony Beta and F1, Magnetospeed Sporter & V3, and the LabRadar. I have shot over the Caldwell units extensively with other shooters. Currently, I only keep the ProChrono Digital, Magnetospeed V3, and the LabRadar. The LabRadar is ridiculously expensive and would be wasted for a budget reloader who is only reloading 2 cartridges. The V3 is awesome for rifles, but is also expensive, and doesn’t work for most handguns - same for the sporter except NO handguns. The ProChrono is cheap, versatile, and it works great for the money, and will for years. On a budget, the ProChrono is the only one I would put money into. A LabRadar would be a terrible investment for our OP.

7) Consider the value of the products you’re buying in your actual process. Personally, in the year 2020, with a limited budget, I would say a chronograph is money better spent for most 2 cartridge reloaders than having the same ~$100 sank into 3 reloading manuals. So much data is available for free online, and forums like this are great sources to ask for a photo of one specific page. Equally, if a guy is casually reloading for two cartridges - as a long time reloader AND a professional process technology developer - I’d suggest money spent on check weights would be more wasted than it would be on a chronograph. Accuracy to a standard is less critical than repeatability, and any of the name brand gear out there will be more than reliable enough for what we’re doing in the reloading room. I have around $7,000 in weighing/massing equipment on my bench - even with the ability to measure down to the kernel, I see very little value in certified check weights. There might be a half or dozen things of higher value than a chronograph, for example, any of the production process tools like dies, press, trays, powder funnel, etc, but for load development and analytics, the chronograph holds a lot of value. I could personally support saving money by buying Lee dies instead of RCBS or Hornady to put that difference towards a chrony. I’d rather have a chrony and use a powder drop and hand trickler instead of an electronic powder dispenser, if it came down to choosing by cost (and that’s saying something, as I HATE loading without an automated dispenser).
Brother I like your articulate style and worthy of my full attention, it’s just when posts are so long it takes a couple days to read them.
J
 
I dunno how people shoot their chronos (and im not making fun or saying they are doing anything wrong, just never come close personally), Ive shot thru mine at 100yds and never actually put a round into it, havent had a near miss...or hit? either.....but anyway...
In my case I was being cheap. I figured I could sight in this new rifle with the chrono about 15' out, and get a good measure of the ammo I was shooting out of it so it'd be easy to calculate ballistics.

I learned the answer to "what're the odds that the scope is far enough off that I'll hit the sky screen at 15' while sighting this rifle in" was "quite high, actually." :p
 
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