Common caliber that could kill an elk without being "overkill" for a deer?

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Just for some context, I found this small caliber bullet in the shoulder of the cow elk I shot this winter. You can see it’s fully flattened out and it’s jacket was nowhere to be found. There was no evidence that it ever hit any bone, either. I put my calipers on the nub of a base and would guess it was 22-24 caliber at one time. I presume that the elk would have likely survived and healed up just fine. The other bullet is a 225 Sierra Prohunter I used in my deer/elk rifle chambered in 338 win mag to kill the elk. In terms of appropriate dual purpose cartridges, folks have offered some excellent recommendations. They all work with the right bullet but I’ve found often that with elk a bigger bullet is more likely to be “righter”.
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Just for some context, I found this small caliber bullet in the shoulder of the cow elk I shot this winter. You can see it’s fully flattened out and it’s jacket was nowhere to be found. There was no evidence that it ever hit any bone, either. I put my calipers on the nub of a base and would guess it was 22-24 caliber at one time. I presume that the elk would have likely survived and healed up just fine. The other bullet is a 225 Sierra Prohunter I used in my deer/elk rifle chambered in 338 win mag to kill the elk. In terms of appropriate dual purpose cartridges, folks have offered some excellent recommendations. They all work with the right bullet but I’ve found often that with elk a bigger bullet is more likely to be “righter”.
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Thanks for your post. Better to go with the bigger bullet than wounding an animal.
 
All the different entry level rifles mentioned I think the Howa 1500 needs a mention, I've purchased 2 recently with Leopold scopes and I feel they are a step or 2 above the Axis, American and Compass.
I second the 30-06 as a good cartridge for your needs, factory ammunition from 55gr to 220gr are available with 150gr to 200gr being easily found in retail stores.
 
Just for some context, I found this small caliber bullet in the shoulder of the cow elk I shot this winter. You can see it’s fully flattened out and it’s jacket was nowhere to be found. There was no evidence that it ever hit any bone, either. I put my calipers on the nub of a base and would guess it was 22-24 caliber at one time. I presume that the elk would have likely survived and healed up just fine. The other bullet is a 225 Sierra Prohunter I used in my deer/elk rifle200 chambered in 338 win mag to kill the elk. In terms of appropriate dual purpose cartridges, folks have offered some excellent recommendations. They all work with the right bullet but I’ve found often that with elk a bigger bullet is more likely to be “righter”.
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Yes, when in doubt, go big. Of course, that usually limits range, such as a .45/70 vs .300 Win Mag. :D But, big and slow kills with less meat damage in my experience. Only elk I ever killed was with a 7mm Rem Mag. I used a Nosler Partition on it and it worked well at 200 yards. As the round has a 250 yard zero, there was no holdover. That wouldn't have been the case with a 45/70, though I have no doubt with a similar high shoulder hit, it would have been just as deadly at the range I was shooting.

If you're shooting a normal magnum caliber, best use a controlled expansion bullet on big animals. I shot that elk twice in the shoulder. I think she was dead on her feet when the guide said to put another one in her. Both were high shoulder hits. Never found a bullet, but it got decent expansion judging by the wound channel. The only thing big and slow I have is several .50 caliber muzzle loaders and they'd be hard pressed to reach 200 yards.
 
Hard to beat 30-06 as a duel purpose caliber. Not too much for deer but plenty for elk. 30-06 is available everywhere. I heard one of our soldiers on a hunting show say that while on active duty he was at an open air market in Kandahar, Afghanistan and one of the local venders had a box of 30-06 ammo for sale on his table. LOL! Doesn't get much more available than that.
 
Use enough gun. Think that advice would ever catch on? I'm pretty proud of myself for thinking it up. ;)

There is no such thing as "too much gun", but there can be lots of problems possible from "not enough gun". For humane killing of game animals, the too popular effort to find the minimum necessary to eventually kill specific animals is simply revolting to me, when there are so many quite adequate, very common, and easy to shoot cartridges available. The fact that elk (or any other game) can be killed with quite small cartridges if everything goes well, does not make deliberately hunting them with small rounds ethical. I think the .22 center fires are not suitable as big game rounds even though lots of big game has been killed with them. A successful stunt of any kind does not make something a good idea. I think the 6mm rounds are the absolute minimum for use on elk, but are obviously enough for deer. Anything "bigger" is entirely suitable for hunting all the ungulates in North America.
 
Use enough gun. Think that advice would ever catch on? I'm pretty proud of myself for thinking it up. ;)

There is no such thing as "too much gun", but there can be lots of problems possible from "not enough gun". For humane killing of game animals, the too popular effort to find the minimum necessary to eventually kill specific animals is simply revolting to me, when there are so many quite adequate, very common, and easy to shoot cartridges available. The fact that elk (or any other game) can be killed with quite small cartridges if everything goes well, does not make deliberately hunting them with small rounds ethical. I think the .22 center fires are not suitable as big game rounds even though lots of big game has been killed with them. A successful stunt of any kind does not make something a good idea. I think the 6mm rounds are the absolute minimum for use on elk, but are obviously enough for deer. Anything "bigger" is entirely suitable for hunting all the ungulates in North America.
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How hard is it to use enough gun with so many great options. As elk are concerned I would go with 6.5 as a minimum and 7mm or 30 being better. Thanks for your post!!!
 
Is that, then, the reason for the temptation to use minimum powered chambering for the job? In other words, if one makes clean kills with less, they feel as if they are superior to those using more job appropriate loads.

I’m not advocating using the bare necessity, but I wonder if that is why so many often do.
 
Is that, then, the reason for the temptation to use minimum powered chambering for the job? In other words, if one makes clean kills with less, they feel as if they are superior to those using more job appropriate loads.
Possibly. I believe I've seen a bit of that "superiority complex" in some posts right here in the Hunting section of THR. On the other hand, my own dad was probably the most recoil-shy hunter I've ever known. Yet he would have never stood for hunting with a gun that wasn't up to the task of killing an animal as quickly and cleanly as possible. He liked his Model 100 Winchester, 308 Winchester for two reasons - it didn't kick very hard, and it put mule deer down real quick.:)
 
Another good thing about 30-06 and .308 is that you can find dozens of them at gun shows for cheap. Just saw a really nice Winchester Model 70 30-06 at an auction...looked new. I see lots of 30-06 at the gun show in Tulsa. Too bad the April show was cancelled.
 
The answer is:

.270 Winchester/150 gr.

(Now, what was the question?)

In a 8.5 lb rifle with a good pad... it is very easy to shoot well... all day.


140 gr. Barnes Copper TSX is also good.

As is the 130 gr. Federal Trophy Copper for the smaller stuff at longer ranges.


But that's just me...

:D




GR
 
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Toh-May-Toe, Tah-Mah-Tow
30.06, .308

They're both capable of taking elk and deer, and ammo is available pretty much wherever ammo is sold. Except, of course, the year 2020. Ain't nothing readily available now.
The folks who say 30.06 have 30.06's, and they wouldn't have it if they didn't like it.
Same for .308.

I tend to favor the .308 just because it's a short action cartridge.
 
Well, "I tend to favor" my 308 Norma Magnum because it has a belt.:D
Just kidding around der Teufel. I like short action cartridges too. But I really do like how belted magnums look!;)
Difference is about .5" - not really something to get that excited about
 
No one says you have to fill the case; I have NEVER found max loads in my 7mm mag, 7-08, .243, .223, or 6.5 x 55 to be the most accurate - most were the best about midrange.
 
There are plenty of people that view the 30-30 as an elk gun.

Personally I'd stick with the 30-06
 
"You might say that that was over kill... I say it was just enough kill."

Ash, Evil Dead: A Fist Full of Boomstick.

All humor aside, there is some truth to this on this subject.

Define what you mean by "overkill", because it doesn't mean the same from one person to another.

I'm not a big game hunter, as a rule. Mostly small game and varmints.

However, seems to me that once you get to deer size and up (in this country, anyway) "overkill" doesn't carry the same weight it does with small game. A .223, .270, 30-30, 30-06 has a quite different effect when shooting deer as compared with squirrel. One use puts food on the table, the other fertilizes the area around the vaporized critter.

Also, consider the fact that there are a variety of loads for the various rifle calibers, not to mention however you may choose to reload if you do so.

A heart/lung shot on a deer or an elk with any of these common rifle cartridges isn't likely to be "overkill" in terms of tissue damage to either one.
 
No one says you have to fill the case; I have NEVER found max loads in my 7mm mag, 7-08, .243, .223, or 6.5 x 55 to be the most accurate - most were the best about midrange.

Heavy-for-caliber bullets, combined w/ High-density loads with a slow-ish powder... say IMR-4831...?

... produce extremely tight (field) groups in both the .270 WCF and 6.5x55.

Not blistering MV... but then, the SPEER GS bullet neither likes nor requires it.




GR
 
It's not about the cartridge you use, but the bullet you choose. 25-06, .308, .270, 7mm-08, 30-06, ect will work exceptionally well. In my opinion the .270 Winchester loaded with 130 grain Nosler partitions is the best elk medicine for 95% of hunting situations.
 
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