I will make one point about DBM rifles. I have hunted with friends who use both regular bolt action rifles with DBM magazines and long range rifles with DBM magazines and they have one thing in common. That is, that the rifle and the magazine often end up in different places at the same time. Several times the user would hunt with a heavy coat in the morning and change to a lighter coat in the evening and end up with the magazine in the heavy coat pocket and hunting with a single shot rifle in the evening. Also, friends would call late at night and ask if their magazine was laying the the back floorboard of my truck. This is often caused by getting back to the vehicle after dark in cold weather. I am aware that this could never happen to most people on the forum.