Consider removing the slide and locking it to a seat support with the cable lock, with the frame locked under the passenger seat with another cable lock.
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I personally am VERY reluctant to leave a firearm in a car -- that's how guns "fall into the wrong hands."
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Until it happens, the odds are around zero. Then the odds rapidly jump into the 100 percentile.
One really should not think "gun" and "road rage" in the same context.I am reluctant about it too, but then again if some drug abuser gets road rage and pulls a gun on me on my way home, what good is it in the safe?
And before someone says what are the odds of that happening, some druggie (assuming from the way he was acting)did get out of his car and start screaming at me and running around my truck because apparently I was tailgating him even though there was plenty of room between us. That's why I got my CCW in the first place. I felt completely defenseless and it scared the crap out of me
They'd probably just snip the cable
Wow, a simple statement that you disagree would have worked.Again, with what?
How many thieves do you think go wheeling a toolbox through the parking lot? My guess is "not very many."
How many seats have you taken out of vehicles? My guess here too is "not very many." I've done hundreds.
While it's pretty easy when you have the correct tools, it still takes an amount of time greater than zero. The seats in Ford & Chevy vans are generally held down by four nuts with an 18mm hex. Much of everything else is held in by a more specialized fastener like a Torx, inverted Torx, Torx plus or some purpose designed variation on the theme.
Now, I could probably have a seat out of a car in a couple minutes, but I was a pro. Of course, I was taking care not to damage anything. However, I did have the key and have to break in first.
In fairness, my estimated time is having the seat all the way out and sitting on the shop floor.
Our theif would only have to unbolt it and, naturally, would probably not be overly concerned about damaging anything. So I figure maybe 45 seconds to unbolt the seat so he can lift it. That's after he breaks in. And that's assuming he is carrying the right tools with him. Which he probably won't be.
And guess what? Now he has a loose seat with a lock box securely attached to it by a cable. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ANY KIND OF SMART AT ALL, THE CABLE GOES AROUND THE SEAT FRAME ITSELF, NOT WHERE IT BOLTS TO THE FLOOR!
Now our theif has to cut the cable anyway, so it's back to the tool box. Oh yeah....
By the way, your proverbial catalytic converter thieves carry a sawzall with them because they are on a specific mission to get catalytic converters as opposed to the smash & grab artist who is just looking for whatever he can get quick and easy.
Wow, a simple statement that you disagree would have worked.
I've had hundreds of seats out of cars as well, I was a general auto mechanic for 15 years and now do mainly specialty cars & customs , so I do know what I'm talking about.
Loosen up some , nobody's attacking you and you don't need to try to force YOUR OPINION down anyone's throat, it just makes you seem like an unpleasant person.
One really should not think "gun" and "road rage" in the same context.
As long as one is in a working motor vehicle and has an open or openable route away from the situation, one should use that strategy first.
Also, even the threat of deadly force, such as the display of a firearm, would not be lawfully justified because someone is "screaming at [one]" and running around [one's] truck".
You would probably be far more apt to survive unscathed by using your car to escape.But if the jerk in front of me who got out of his car pulled a gun out because HE had road rage I would rather not be defenseless.
I was a LEO, I don't recommend it. I didn't say all crooks carry a handcuff key, but in tossing them enough came up that I don't think it's a safe method of securing valuable or dangerous items.Funny a lot of LEO's will recommend this. I don't care what you use. The point is to slow them down and move on to easier pickings. Do you know for a fact that all crooks carry a handcuff key on their key chain?
You would probably be far more apt to survive unscathed by using your car to escape.
...and with less likelihood hitting an innocent, or of being charged with public endangerment.
Again, one should not think "gun" and "road rage" in the same context.
Can't always escape in a car while in traffic/rush hour.... All depends on the situation...You would probably be far more apt to survive unscathed by using your car to escape.
...and with less likelihood hitting an innocent, or of being charged with public endangerment.
Again, one should not think "gun" and "road rage" in the same context.
You might want to research state law where you are. In some states it is a criminal violation to have a gun in a posted "no firearms" business. In other states it is a civil matter, and only becomes a legal problem if the business discovers you have a gun, asks you to leave, and you refuse, in which case it is a civil trespass violation. Finally, the law may specify exactly how the no guns signage must appear, like the wonderful 30-06 statute in Texas; failure to follow the signage requirements renders them unenforceable. IANAL, but have noted the nuance of criminal prohibition versus civil trespass sanction.I'm 4 hours from home and the resort hotel "strictly prohibits carrying of any weapons on their premises"
According to the local deputies that I deal with on occasion, the majority of firearm theft reports they take were stolen from a vehicle. I try my best to never leave guns in my ride. For one, I've had to break in my own vehicle and I know it's not hard. Another reason is for a thief to possess tools to gain entry, it's reasonable to expect them to have bolt cutters (around here they also typically carry cordless drills and sawzall too).
That said, there's currently a loaded firearm in my vehicle, protected only by the vehicle's locks and factory security system...because I'm 4 hours from home and the resort hotel "strictly prohibits carrying of any weapons on their premises"
The problem with most of these is the crappy locks that can be picked with a paperclip
My understanding is that, here in Ohio, if they post a sign it becomes a lawful order. Not sure how or why, but that's what the LEO's I've discussed it with have told me.other states it is a civil matter, and only becomes a legal problem if the business discovers you have a gun, asks you to leave, and you refuse, in which case it is a civil trespass violation. Finally, the law may specify exactly how
The hotel here is part of the resort system at a large theme park. Gated with security, passes required to enter. Our room has a safe in it and I'm sure I could carry without anyone knowing. But based on being informed it would be illegal to do so, I don't.I haven't stayed in a hotel in a while. The last time I did I took my own lock box and locked it to the closet shelf which was wire and I opted not to have my room made up until after I left.
There is no way I'd leave my gun in a car in a hotel parking lot.
My understanding is that, here in Ohio, if they post a sign it becomes a lawful order. Not sure how or why, but that's what the LEO's I've discussed it with have told me.
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(a) Except as provided in division (C)(3)(b) of this section and section 2923.1214 of the Revised Code, the owner or person in control of private land or premises, and a private person or entity leasing land or premises owned by the state, the United States, or a political subdivision of the state or the United States, may post a sign in a conspicuous location on that land or on those premises prohibiting persons from carrying firearms or concealed firearms on or onto that land or those premises. Except as otherwise provided in this division, a person who knowingly violates a posted prohibition of that nature is guilty of criminal trespass in violation of division (A)(4) of section 2911.21 of the Revised Code and is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. If a person knowingly violates a posted prohibition of that nature and the posted land or premises primarily was a parking lot or other parking facility, the person is not guilty of criminal trespass under section 2911.21 of the Revised Code or under any other criminal law of this state or criminal law, ordinance, or resolution of a political subdivision of this state, and instead is subject only to a civil cause of action for trespass based on the violation.
If a person knowingly violates a posted prohibition of the nature described in this division and the posted land or premises is a child day-care center, type A family day-care home, or type B family day-care home, unless the person is a licensee who resides in a type A family day-care home or type B family day-care home, the person is guilty of aggravated trespass in violation of section 2911.211 of the Revised Code. Except as otherwise provided in this division, the offender is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree. If the person previously has been convicted of a violation of this division or of any offense of violence, if the weapon involved is a firearm that is either loaded or for which the offender has ammunition ready at hand, or if the weapon involved is dangerous ordnance, the offender is guilty of a felony of the fourth degree.
I don't try to accuse lawmakers of intentionally muddying the water, but there's some lack in clarity at least in how some LEO interpret laws. I've had deputies from the same county with differing opinions (both licensed CCW instructors) on how many concealed handguns a person may carry at the same time. From what I'd read of Ohio law, it specifically says it's illegal to carry anywhere that prohibits carrying, ie...sign on the door. I always looked at it from the perspective of "no metal detector, no problem". If they're not checking me, then they didn't check the people in front of me and they're not checking the ones behind me. But there is a lot of security here, and some places with metal detectors...so I left it locked up in the Jeep.Never trust a LEO's version of the law. My experience has been they often don't know the laws very well, if at all. I've heard the opposite as you, as the officer who taught my CCW class told us that only weight those signs carry is they can ask you to leave the premises, and you can be arrested for trespassing if you refuse. It turns out however there is more to it than that, and your source was closer to the truth. It's a 4th degree misdemeanor for "criminal trespass"
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.126
Point is, always go the the Ohio Revised Code for what the actual law is and don't trust word of mouth.