Am I being picayune?

I am also interested to here the vendors response if you decide to contact them. Most vendors are very reasonable and hopefully make it right for you in some form or another.

I would ask, its not right.

That said, I have seen some bullet makers sell by the pound (Rim Rock does I know) and others will fill a flat rate box for $X.

However, that is not the case here. You paid for 1000, you should have near that, give or take 10 I could see so long as it sort of balanced out. The fact that all 3 orders are short means that isn't happening and so appears to be a systemic error. Adds up a LOT over 1000's of orders.

So you had three different orders that all have been short but rather than contacting the vendor you start a thread? Okay.....

Please name the vendor. If this has happened to you three times in a row, it's happening to others. There's something systemic going on and their customers need to know so they can check also.

Contact the vendor, they should make it right. At a minimum they need to add a QC check to insure QTY shipped == QTY ordered. Good luck!

I would find a new vendor, shorting you and probably many of us means huge profits for them...Not a good business practice.

sparkyv said:

Gotta say, I've never counted.

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I don't either, but load batches divisible by 100. That way I fill my 100 count ammo boxes, uses full boxes of primers, etc. 1,000 bullets should make ten batches....5,000 should make 50. That's how I know I got the right amount or not. Most of the time when I get down to the last of my bulk bullets, I'll either be spot on or have an extra or two. Only one occasion I can remember, was 1 short.

As I said in my first post, I doubt very much if this is only happening to the OP. Sounds like a very convenient(and profitable) scenario for the seller. I too am one of those that would like to know who the seller is.

Now I feel a need to synchronize my bullets and primers as a check on full boxes.

Seems a little suspicious that the error keeps increasing in favor of the vendor.
Almost like they were trying to see how much that they could get away with.
Either that or an employee is skimming product for himself.
In any case it's too much to ignore.

If I add my "Contact the seller." I'm just piling on. If they sell by the pound then you should get pounds. If they sell by the bullet you should get bullets. If you bought an x gr bullet it's not your choice they make x.y gr bullet, so they shouldn't be doing that and then shipping based on weight..

This thread made me realize I've never counted. So I cracked open a box of 1K Bayou Bullets and counted them: 1,012 bullets.

I do not think you are being trivial and after buying from them 3 times and the same transactions repeat themselves I would have attacked the supplier after the second time. You don't want to bash them in a public forum it is understandable as you have failed to contact them to see if they will rectify their shortcomings. They may not know this is happening and I can understand, but if it continues to happen and you don't contact them other consumers will be exposed to the same experiences you have gone through.

Let them know, see if they do anything about it, if not let us know so that we don't experience what you experienced repeatedly.

otisrush said:

If I add my "Contact the seller." I'm just piling on. If they sell by the pound then you should get pounds. If they sell by the bullet you should get bullets. If you bought an x gr bullet it's not your choice they make x.y gr bullet, so they shouldn't be doing that and then shipping based on weight..

This thread made me realize I've never counted. So I cracked open a box of 1K Bayou Bullets and counted them: 1,012 bullets.

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All the vendors who sell this stuff use scales to package. It would be too cost prohibitive to pay people to stand there and hand count out stuff like bulk bullets. So they have scales set up. To be consistently short they vendor would have to either have people loading the boxes who do not know how to use the equipment, the equipment is not calibrated correctly, or sadly someone is doing this on purpose. It's why I am curious to hear how the vendor reacts when told there is a problem. If one buyer is getting consistently shorted a LOT of people are getting the same treatment. Not good customer service and hopefully it was just a mistake and will be corrected, not them doing it trying to be fraudulent.

Picayune is the first word I’ve had to look up in the dictionary in a looong time.

I’d let them know and see how they act about it

I can see this happening.

All it takes is for the bullets to be slightly overweight.

Sure the mold says it's 200 grs. But depending on alloy it could be as much as 210 grains. 10 grains isn't much....till you start getting into a thousand bullets.

1000 200 gr bullets would be 28.57 lbs.
1000 210 gr bullets would be 30 lbs.

If they are weighing out 28.75 lbs, just to be sure they would be short some 44-45 bullets if they weigh 210 grains.

I almost don’t want to mention this but I actually counted out bullets from an order of 6000 55gn bullets. It was EXACTLY 6000. I had a method that didn’t take as long as it sounds, I used a small caliber loading block and dumped the bullets to fill up all the spots. I now have a counting scale.

I, too, suspect someone did not properly tare a scale. Contact them and let them know.

You owe it to yourself and you owe it to us to contact the vendor -- if you let them cheat you, they'll cheat us. Call them and let us know how it turns out.

Most vendors of any size are stand up in their practices or soon there will be many complaints. I am of the opinion that a weighing mistake has happened.

As stated in an earlier post I do count mine. However I do it as I use them. Just like pulling wire off a reel. Note minus X units on the box lid and keep track until empty. Most boxes have one or two extra I find. Commercial jacketed are always the correct amount though.

I buy from a lot of different bullet vendors, I’m not married to one particular brand. If, after you contact them you notice this again, please let us know who the offender is so we can be on the lookout for similar shenanigans should we decide to chance a purchase from them.

Stay safe!

I would bring it to their attention. When you are looking at being shorted 60 of 1000 you are looking at a 6.0% shortage. When this happens three times with the same vendor it's a little peculiar. Normally I end up with some extra with bullets and brass. Be polite, contact them and see how the vendor handles it.

Ron

I would be willing to bet that they fill the boxes by weight. Might be their scales are not calibrated properly.

I'd send them an email and mention it to them. Something that happens three times is not by chance. It's either deliberate or there is something wrong with something on their end.

Most bullet vendors I know make sure to throw in a few extra to cover any damage or loss or miss count etc...

If it were me, I'd definitely be contacting the vendor.
I was missing 2 pcs of brass in an order of .223" .
They didn't have any more but refunded like 3¢.

Texas10mm said:

I can see this happening.

All it takes is for the bullets to be slightly overweight.

Sure the mold says it's 200 grs. But depending on alloy it could be as much as 210 grains. 10 grains isn't much....till you start getting into a thousand bullets.

1000 200 gr bullets would be 28.57 lbs.
1000 210 gr bullets would be 30 lbs.

If they are weighing out 28.75 lbs, just to be sure they would be short some 44-45 bullets if they weigh 210 grains.

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When they use scales to count they use a known sample first, say 10. The scale will then tell them how accurate it can count out 1K. If the +- is too high they use a larger sample to set the scale, say 50. You do this till the scale tells you it will be close enough for the person doing the packing. So again either the people packing the bullets have not been trained in how to use it, the equipment is not set or calibrated, or worst case someone is doing this knowingly. One package can be a "goof". 3 orders, all off in only the vendors favor is not just an accident. If we were talking one package sure could have been a mistake. When 3 orders all come up short this is not that their bullets were a little heavy.

Well, it took me a few days to get it to come out even but when I opened a new box of 500 Bayou Bullets and set five trays of primers beside it and used up all the primers, I had five bullets left over. 505 in a 500 box.

Was it Sportsman ‘s guide, that used to add a $3.00 processing fee to the bottom of every order? Do they still do that?
Ship 1,000 orders every day and it adds up.