One of those big milestones in a new gun owners life

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If somebody told me they couldnt reholster their weapon and were having issues with it I would conclude that the person is either very inexperienced or just has really lousy gear. Not to be all judgy or anything but 99% of the time I see people at my range they set their gun on the table, load a few magazines and walk back to the target, shoot, and back to the table to set their gun down.

I would have to guess that I've unholstered and reholstered my weapon thousands of times. You have to if you want to be proficient and when you are doing drills where you draw from the holster it stands to reason that you ought to be able to reholster your gun with the same proficiency as you unholster.

Most of the people I see walk up with their gun and shoot and get tickled if they shoot a bullseye or a group. I never see anybody actually do drills. Most people dont even show up the the range with a holster. It's usually always uncased and carried back and fourth to the target. I dont understand this. I think it goes back to the mentality of alot of folks who think "now I'm gonna get serious about self defense, I need a gun to put in my nightstand and then I'll be good to go".
 
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DustyGmt said:
If somebody told me they couldnt reholster their weapon and were having issues with it I would conclude that the person is either very inexperienced or just has really lousy gear. Not to be all judgy or anything but 99% of the time I see people at my range they set their gun on the table, load a few magazines and walk back to the target, shoot, and back to the table to set their gun down.

I would have to guess that I've unholstered and reholstered my weapon 10's of thousands of times. You have to if you want to be proficient and when you are doing drills where you draw from the holster it stands to reason that you ought to be able to reholster your gun with the same proficiency as you unholster.

Most of the people I see walk up with their gun and shoot and get tickled if they shoot a bullseye or a group. I never see anybody actually do drills. Most people dont even show up the the range with a holster. It's usually always uncased and carried back and fourth to the target. I dont understand this. I think it goes back to the mentality of alot of folks who think "now I'm gonna get serious about self defense, I need a gun to put in my nightstand and then I'll be good to go".
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Every bit of this, all day long.

I really appreciate Travis Haley's take on deliberate practice... How the simple actions we take for granted in preparation for an activity can either be training exercises or wasted time depending on our efforts...

 
Id say most if not all the ranges around me don't allow shooting from the holster or if they do it's with permission of the range officer. One of my coworkers did a class for his CWP and the instructor ended up giving him the advance class instead of the basic. He ended up doing 3 hours of drills, were to have your hands when you need to be prepared to draw. So probably at some point I'll take a class like that to learn the finer points of techniques
 
Mars5l said:
Id say most if not all the ranges around me don't allow shooting from the holster or if they do it's with permission of the range officer. One of my coworkers did a class for his CWP and the instructor ended up giving him the advance class instead of the basic. He ended up doing 3 hours of drills, were to have your hands when you need to be prepared to draw. So probably at some point I'll take a class like that to learn the finer points of techniques
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All that can be done with a few videos online, a few snap caps and a lot of dry fire. If you want more interactive then a laser program like iTarget can be helpful or that Mantis one.
 
I'm struck by the level of attention guys are paying to the responsibility of carrying a gun. I'm reminded of the media hysteria here in Kansas when concealed carry was being considered. Kansas has never been safer and the hysterics will never admit it. The response here demonstrates why concealed carry is so successful. I carry a Kimber .380. Don't practice as much as I should, but I'm OK where I'm at.
 
azrocks said:
Every bit of this, all day long.

I really appreciate Travis Haley's take on deliberate practice... How the simple actions we take for granted in preparation for an activity can either be training exercises or wasted time depending on our efforts...

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Good vid.

Alot of youtubers you can skip right passed or take with a grain of salt. However, there are at least half a dozen I can think of off the top of my head that are great sources of information. I know youtube isnt a substitute for a class or qualified instructor by any means, but it can get somebody headed in the right direction depending on the channel.

I never got formal training but about 10 years ago I came across some PDN Rob Pincus training DVD's and got really into them. I know he's not a top name in the game but I still think he's the man. He made me think about what I was actually doing and I've looked at how I carry and use guns differently ever since, also tactics. Have a plan.

I did bump into one fellow at my range who had been through half a dozen or so Sig Academy classes and it really showed. If I ever get time to attend I most certainly will. Until then I'll get by.
 
I am lucky enough to be a member at a private club where we are allowed to shoot drills on the range (assuming you have the bay to yourself).

When I go to the range that's all I do. I practice drawing from concealment and firing. I practice engaging multiple targets and I practice engaging multiple targets when moving.

I can't say I specifically practice reholstering but if the gun comes out of the holster it has to go back in.

I also don't make a specific point of practicing reloads. I dont do administrative reloads when I'm at the range. When the gun comes empty I change magazines and continue the drill.
 
Trunk Monkey said:
I am lucky enough to be a member at a private club where we are allowed to shoot drills on the range (assuming you have the bay to yourself).

When I go to the range that's all I do. I practice drawing from concealment and firing. I practice engaging multiple targets and I practice engaging multiple targets when moving.

I can't say I specifically practice reholstering but if the gun comes out of the holster it has to go back in.

I also don't make a specific point of practicing reloads. I dont do administrative reloads when I'm at the range. When the gun comes empty I change magazines and continue the drill.
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I like some drills that involve reloads like FAST, Devil or Triple Nickel because when I'm worrying about the reload and the clock it's a real good stressor for getting that first shot right, which is usually where I need the most work.

Much like you if I have he pistol bay to myself I can do what I want, move, draw, whatever. And since I usually have a day off during the week at odd hours, I usually have the range to myself.
 
azrocks said:
What I like or don't like doesn't matter, nor do I particularly care what you do personally. The problem comes in when you're giving poor advice to people who think you know what you're talking about. The solution to having a holster that collapses preventing safe re-holstering is to get a quality holster made for the task, and practice with it often. The solution is not to come up with convoluted reasons to avoid the necessity of being able to put away your handgun safely after it's been drawn, nor to rationalize your choice of substandard gear. If you want to go down the road of "chances of having to use it are... " we can play that game, all the way back to why are you carrying one in the first place. To my way of thinking, however, since I've decided to carry a firearm, I'm going to practice to be proficient in it's use. And part of that proficiency means being able to not only present it in order to deal with a threat, but to safely secure it once the threat has been neutralized or abated. Think about that word real hard - SECURE - because it has significant meaning in the context of the civil application of potentially deadly force.
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Hey big fella, I said what I do..I don't care what others do..NOT advice but what I do..

NOT MY holster..please read the posts in order...
Y'all do whatever ya want...but if I ever gotta take the gun out for a reason, when that's done, it's either going on the ground with my hands up as LEO arrives or holster off, gun in, holster back on belt..YMMV and all that.
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Guess you missed that. Somebody that posts here in this 'discussion' forum doesn't equal an expert with sage advice..not even from you...
 
Waveski said:
My edc is a j frame in a Bianchi leather thumb break iwb holster. It is comfortable and secure. The thumb break releases well , and attaining a grip and drawing is quick and easy.
That said , the holster does collapse somewhat after the firearm is removed from it.
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azrocks said:
The solution to having a holster that collapses preventing safe re-holstering is to get a quality holster made for the task, and practice with it often. The solution is not to come up with convoluted reasons to avoid the necessity of being able to put away your handgun safely after it's been drawn, nor to rationalize your choice of substandard gear.
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Excuse me , I take exception to your statement.
I made a deliberate choice in acquiring my Bianchi holster. I am happy with my choice and with that product. I am not rationalizing. Bianchi and "substandard" do not belong in the same sentence.

Nowhere in my post did I suggest that my choice of holster is superior to others nor did I pass judgement on other individuals. I simply made my case that , in certain circumstances , one must consider how one goes about the process of re-holstering his/her firearm.

I'll keep my Bianchi , thank you.
 
FFGColorado said:
Hey big fella, I said what I do..I don't care what others do..NOT advice but what I do..
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The entire reason I responded to you in the first place is because you were knocking another member for their holster practice, as well as suggesting they were 'doing it wrong' for holstering in the first place (cue laugh track). The second time I responded to you I was called out by name. You're the one that started out with the abrasive attitude, ridiculing a guy who IMO is doing everything right. Don't like the heat? Stop lighting fires.
 
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Waveski said:
Excuse me , I take exception to your statement.
I made a deliberate choice in acquiring my Bianchi holster. I am happy with my choice and with that product. I am not rationalizing. Bianchi and "substandard" do not belong in the same sentence.

Nowhere in my post did I suggest that my choice of holster is superior to others nor did I pass judgement on other individuals. I simply made my case that , in certain circumstances , one must consider how one goes about the process of re-holstering his/her firearm.

I'll keep my Bianchi , thank you.
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I too carry a J-frame. The only IWB that doesn't collapse for me has been the (Cross Breed) style that has a rather large "framework" of stiff leather to keep things in place. I just couldn't "love it" ! The stiffness to make it work as designed wasn't comfortable for me at "3 o'clock"! I've come to love my Safariland J-frame 567, keeps it high and tight at 3 o'clock! I also have the 567 for K and L frames! I'm a revolver guy and shoot regular matches too!

Smiles,
 
Waveski said:
Excuse me , I take exception to your statement.
I made a deliberate choice in acquiring my Bianchi holster. I am happy with my choice and with that product. I am not rationalizing. Bianchi and "substandard" do not belong in the same sentence.

Nowhere in my post did I suggest that my choice of holster is superior to others nor did I pass judgement on other individuals. I simply made my case that , in certain circumstances , one must consider how one goes about the process of re-holstering his/her firearm.

I'll keep my Bianchi , thank you.
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I honestly don't know what you're going on about. I never responded to any of your posts. I never mentioned you. I never mentioned anything about Bianchi. All I meant - in a response to another member, not you - was that a holster designed to secure a SD handgun that's so floppy and formless you can't re-holster without taking off your clothes is a substandard choice. If that applies to you and your holster choice & you wish to take it personally, I can't really help with that. I'm not going to back down from a statement of truth because it offends your brand loyalty or you wish to make yourself a martyr for the sake of argument. There's a tool for every job. If I bring a $100 hammer to a job-site in order to cut wood, it doesn't matter if it's a really nice hammer. It's a substandard tool. That's my point - which once again was never - even a little bit - aimed at you (or Bianchi lol).
 
DustyGmt said:
Good vid.

Alot of youtubers you can skip right passed or take with a grain of salt. However, there are at least half a dozen I can think of off the top of my head that are great sources of information. I know youtube isnt a substitute for a class or qualified instructor by any means, but it can get somebody headed in the right direction depending on the channel.

I never got formal training but about 10 years ago I came across some PDN Rob Pincus training DVD's and got really into them. I know he's not a top name in the game but I still think he's the man. He made me think about what I was actually doing and I've looked at how I carry and use guns differently ever since, also tactics. Have a plan.

I did bump into one fellow at my range who had been through half a dozen or so Sig Academy classes and it really showed. If I ever get time to attend I most certainly will. Until then I'll get by.
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Agreed completely. I wouldn't classify Travis Haley as a 'youtuber' though. He's an accomplished professional who happens to have a youtube channel. Probably the same can be said of the 1/2 dozen you mention above.
 
JJFitch said:
I too carry a J-frame. The only IWB that doesn't collapse for me has been the (Cross Breed) style that has a rather large "framework" of stiff leather to keep things in place. I just couldn't "love it" ! The stiffness to make it work as designed wasn't comfortable for me at "3 o'clock"! I've come to love my Safariland J-frame 567, keeps it high and tight at 3 o'clock! I also have the 567 for K and L frames! I'm a revolver guy and shoot regular matches too!

Smiles,
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I don't do IWB.

When I did I had good luck with Galco Summer Comfort holsters
 
I have bought 4 holsters for my P365. 2 1791 leather holsters, one is an IWB only, the other is a 4 way, then I picked up a cheap cardini IWB for 6 o clock position and just picked up a Sticky Holster to try
 
azrocks said:
or you wish to make yourself a martyr for the sake of argument.
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"martyr" hardly applies. Overly dramatic. We are discussing holsters here.

What we have here is a case of different individuals sharing different choices on their gear.

Such discussions become problematic when a participant becomes harshly critical to the point of suggesting that those with different opinions are"coming up with convoluted reasons" for and "rationalizing" about their "substandard equipment". (post #71.)

It is pretty difficult to have an objective discussion when such language is being tossed about.
 
Waveski said:
Such discussions become problematic when a participant becomes harshly critical to the point of suggesting that those with different opinions are"coming up with convoluted reasons" for and "rationalizing" about their "substandard equipment". (post #71.)

It is pretty difficult to have an objective discussion when such language is being tossed about.
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I understand the difficulties you must be facing. When I'm in similar situations, it usually helps me to slow down, take a few deep breaths, and try to remember that I'm getting defensive about comments that were never addressed to me in the first place. I regret using such atrocious language, and I apologize for the hurt I must have caused you. Take comfort in the fact that - despite my strong opinions on the matter - there is no right or wrong. Everyone gets a trophy. If you see value in your floppy holster, that's all the truly matters.
 
I got my CCW somewhere around 1989/1990 give or take. My first CCW sidearm was a BHP carried cocked-and-locked as God/JMB intended. At first I carried whatever ammo was laying around, probably WWB. But I switched to Black Talons when they were all the rage. I sometimes swapped out the BHP for whatever handgun-du-jour I was infatuated with at the moment (eg Colt Commander in ,38 Super, Star PD, Star BM, CZ75 or occasionally a Taurus 85 or N-frame .357).

Now it's usually an HK P2000 or a Beretta Nano when it's really hot out. Sometimes I carry an HK VP9 instead, especially when I'm hiking.
 
azrocks said:
The entire reason I responded to you in the first place is because you were knocking another member for their holster practice, as well as suggesting they were 'doing it wrong' for holstering in the first place (cue laugh track). The second time I responded to you I was called out by name. You're the one that started out with the abrasive attitude, ridiculing a guy who IMO is doing everything right. Don't like the heat? Stop lighting fires.
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Your words not mine...And abrasive..I guess this doesn't count.
nor to rationalize your choice of substandard gear.
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out of this pis$ing contest...
 
This thread got me wondering just how long I'd been carrying. Got my permit right after then Governor Bush signed it into law in Texas. That was 1995, so been 25 years. How time does fly.
And just a comment on all this holstering discussion. If you're in a situation where you can't slowly and carefully re-holster, then the situation has not improved to a point where you should be
re-holstering.
 
@tuckerdog1, we started about the same time, only I was in New York state. I agree with your holstering comment, too. I do practice re-holstering, though; just part of the routine when I practice drawing from concealment.
 
Mars5l said:
I have bought 4 holsters for my P365. 2 1791 leather holsters, one is an IWB only, the other is a 4 way, then I picked up a cheap cardini IWB for 6 o clock position and just picked up a Sticky Holster to try
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Good start. Another minimalist OWB (at a good price point, too) for the P365 is the DeSantis Mini-Scabbard. The great thing that I've found about the P365 is that it can easily be worn OWB with a light covering garment and doesn't print at all ... My thoughts on concealment have evolved much over the past thirty-five or forty years -- I used to think OWB was for full-size pistols while the little guys worked best for IWB or deep concealment. Now I've found value in wearing a little pistol such as the 365 OWB because it still conceals well yet is naturally and easily drawn.
 
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