Should I trade a Sig 516 for an M1 Garand?

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I’m going at it from a different angle. Spoiler... I’m going to say get the garand though.

I don’t have a whole lot of experience with garands, but what little experience I had with one was not pleasant. The gun was immaculate, and shot a lot better than it should have considering that rifle supposedly saw use in Europe, and later in Korea. The whole thing was incredible and had me salivating to go buy a garand, and I was very seriously considering it. The guy that owned the gun had inherited it and a small amount of ww2 era surplus ammo. We shotgun that ammo up in a hurry, and then a few days later he called me and told me the gun was broken. Locked up tight and not budging. He had bought cheap modern ammo and shot a couple boxes of it, and had bent the op-rod pretty bad. That’s a costly mistake to make, and he is lucky it didn’t do more damage. The whole thing is that modern 30-06 hunting ammo is loaded hotter than military loads were. So if your going to buy boutique blasting ammo then get the garand, but stay away from the garand until you learn to reload and make appropriate pressure curve ammo for your rifle. If you already reload then that’s awesome, get the garand. If you have no intentions of learning to reload, then I guess stick with the AR unless you can afford to buy proper ammo for the garand. If you can’t afford to buy proper ammo for the garand, then get the garand and use it as motivation to keep working your 2nd job to pay for the ammo.
 
I have AR’s and M1’s

...how much “collateral” due you have tied up in the 556? If you only own the Sig, but have 30 mags and 5000 rounds...how much are you going to spend to get loaded that way in 30 cal?

You have 5 AR’s....deal....one and a load behind it, maybe not...
 
I can go out and get an AR any day of the week.

No you can't, right now, and especially not a SIG516. Have you been in a gun shop lately? Checked Palmetto Arms sites, etc.? I agree with several people here; as much as I love Garands, ( My grail there is a Harrington & Richardson, since my issue M16A1 was H&R, and those will never be milsurped, the receivers anyway) you will be better served in the coming times with the AR vs. a Garand. My son kept trying to get rid of his AR, and I finally said I'd take it in trade for two guns of mine he wanted. I gifted it back to him last year with the condition he never sell/trade it away, except for a better AR. You already have one of the best, I highly advise you to keep it.
 
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Do you have, or can you easily buy "a chunk" of ammo for Either rifle----now? It's not my business, just making a point.

This is the first critical requirement before I acquire a gun in a different chambering.

Four loaded enbloc clips would barely begin to be an appetizer for some of us.
And that ammo has corrosive primers.
 
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I have a couple of Garands and enjoy taking them to the range, when it is family day the younger one want to shoot them over anything else. I have both S.A. and H&R, I like the H&R finish but you have to look closely to see any difference. You can get CMP Garands for $650 and up, the CMP "specials" look brand new for around a grand. Look around for "ball" ammo or load your own, the going rate now is about $.75, you can get a "screw" that will allow you to shoot all factory ammo but I've never done that. Depending on the bayonet it is between $30 and $100+, slings are between $14 and $200.
I have multiples of each but enjoy shooting any milsurps to an AR.
 
“Should I trade a Sig 516 for an M1 Garand?”
Only you can answer that question OP. I wouldn’t even if AR’s weren’t in short supply right but I’m not into older military rifles. You might be though.
I wouldn't trade an AR for a Garand unless I had another AR. Not right now. It will probably be easier to find another good Garand than AR in todays gun climate.
Great point.
 
So, the title says it all. I have a Sig 516 that I am contemplating on trading for a 1953 all matching M1 with bayonet and sling. It's a Danish return and from what the seller says it is unique in the fact that it does not have the barrel swapped out for the VAR barrel. I don't know too awful much about the M1 Garand other than the fact that I have always wanted one. I offered the trade not expecting him to (possibly) accept it. So, now I'm torn because I really like my Sig haha!

Would I be getting a fair deal if I did decided to trade? Should I offer cash instead? Also, what should I be looking for when inspecting an M1 Garand? Again, I don't know a lot when it comes to the rifle and I have been burnt in the past going into a deal not knowing enough about the firearm.

I will say this, however... I was gifted 4 enbloc clips a few weeks ago loaded up with Lake City stamped '53. Is this a sign?
Do you want the Garand more than you want the Sig?

My guess is right now the Sig might be worth more depending on condition but that is always a negotiable thing.
 
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The critical thing with ammo for a Garand is the bolt speed.
M2 ball gives about (IIRC) 200fps on the bolt handle.
And some hunting ammo will go 250fps, which is a bit above spec.
Which is where the adjustable gas cylinder plugs enter the picture.
 
For a handload, depending on the rifle and what you're doing, I'd say 42-50grs IMR4895 under pretty much any flat-base 150gr SP.

Been a long time, but I shot some surplus 147gr FMJ-BT's over 42grs... printed nicely on my 25yd target... 5rds tore up the 1" dot... then busted clay birds at 100yds. That was a nice recreational load... easy on the gun and the shoulder... but I never had occasion to test/zero it at 200-300yds. Mileage will vary.
 
As much as I like Garands and taking them out to the range, they aren't as versatile or as easy to shoot as an AR, except a stock M1 will have a better trigger than a stock AR. They are heavy, recoil more, can't be scoped easily, are not home defense guns (makes sense, they are for offense). On the positive side, you can realistically hunt anything in North America with one.
 
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I have no idea how much pre-1956 M2 Ball might be available.

The mistake I made was reading somewhere that some early, or late 1970s Lake City (etc) M2 Ball has Non-corrosive primers.......:(
I had a Service Grade Special which was too nice to "shewt", bought during my spare time at the Anniston CMP, and used such 1970s (possibly) ammo in >>that beautiful gun<<<. :uhoh::oops:.
It was Not cleaned, then stored for months in an air cond. room.

CMP staff told us that the "Special" rifles (this was in 2008-2010?) had come from a batch stored in Greece. The superb bore might have rated higher than S.G. Special, according to a friend who had retired from the NAVRES on the Navy Rifle Team.

Luckily a different buddy knew how to clean the bore, as much as it could be---.
 
Garands are nice but not especially versatile, more of a fun gun by my estimation. If you're squared away on defensive arms then get the garand, if it will leave you needing an effective carbine then don't do it. Nostalgia isn't a substitute for versatility .

If you skip ahead to time stamp 20:30, and Hector Cafferata's story, the CQB effectiveness of the M1 Rifle is articulated.


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If it is a pure Danish Garand, don't ever think of scoping it or else you will lose most of its value. When inspecting the rifle, look for initials on any and all parts "PB". That is Padro Beretta. My Danish M1 has more Beretta parts in it than anything else, including the barrel band. Still, I love it, like shooting a BB gun.
 
I was in the exact opposite situation in 2013. I decided I'd rather have two Garands available, than have two ARs.
 
The SIG is nice, but AR prices are down, overall (despite the craziness). So, while it ought to bring $1400, unless there are really special features to it, you are looking at $900-1000, maybe

this is the opposite of my experience recently. My local FFL has been selling AR’s faster than he can get them in stock. Like he gets a shipment in and it’s gone same day. Sig is also having some sort of distribution issue at the moment which is making them even harder to come by. From what I have seen $1400 is on the low end of what your sig is worth right now. (assuming you haven’t done anything extra)

I wouldn’t trade unless it’s a really really nice M1. I would first check to see if they will do a cash deal.

and even then I would only consider the trade if you have multiple AR’s
 
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I wouldn't trade an AR for a Garand unless I had another AR. Not right now. It will probably be easier to find another good Garand than AR in today's gun climate.
As to the OP question: They're still making all kinds of AR's, they ain't making any more original Garands. Sometimes an opportunity presents itself...
You will still be able to legally buy a Garand ten years from now. ARs? Maybe, maybe not.
The time frame I would be looking at (for future replacement of the AR) would be six months from now, not ten years from now. That's before any restrictions would kick in, and after the market returned to normal.

I would make the trade. The underlying reality is that they're not making any more Garands, but they are certainly making more ARs. The long-term appreciation would be higher with the Garand.
 
As much as I like Garands and taking them out to the range, they aren't as versatile or as easy to shoot as an AR, except a stock M1 will have a better trigger than a stock AR. They are heavy, recoil more, can't be scoped easily, are not home defense guns (makes sense, they are for offense). On the positive side, you can realistically hunt anything in North America with one.

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