Lots of LC range brass

jebova2301 said:

That would be a range I would politely walk right back out the door on. I honestly have no idea why anyone who reloads would put up with that kind of nonsense unless their prices are beyond dirt cheap.

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I only went there once or twice. I was the only one in the small range and picked up what I shot, anyways. No comment from the owner.

I have 80 acres now, with another half mile before the next road behind it. No need to go to a range, unless i wanna start the long range stuff.

gifbohane said:

MMB - What type of swaging die do you use? I have had little or no luck with swagers.

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I use this RCBS one:


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0063IDAX2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


The collar that goes on the bottom did not work with my Lee single stage press but I was able to cut a piece of PVC pipe as a spacer that fixed the problem. I was concerned at first that the PVC wouldn't be durable enough but it's held up well.

Well gatherer round boys and girls and hear the tale of old....

223 ammo was once sp plentiful and cheap it did not pay to reload so "smart people" having seen the writing on the wall of the 8 year Obama shortage bought in massive quantity. You see these people are able to shoot at the local ranges. This has caused people to scream hoarder and other derogatory terms at this prepared group, you see the small brains were given the same chance to do so but they said I will buy more another day while they never did. May we never be like the small brains.

With that story out of the way your influx of lc brass is due to factory ammo which was bought in the good times being shot. Nothing special about it, just what people bought in bulk fairly cheap.

The reason its being left behind is due to two things.....

1. Why pick up brass that you can't get primmers, powder, bullets for. ( I pick up anyway)

2. The vast majority of people don't reload and would rather buy it. They can make 1000 rounds in 5 secs as they swipe a card.

gifbohane said:

MMB - What type of swaging die do you use? I have had little or no luck with swagers.

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Here is the swaging tool that I use works well for me. Does small and large primer pockets.

https://www.rcbs.com/case-prep/accessories/primer-pocket-swager---bench-tool/16-9474.html

I only wish that there was a lot of brass being left on the range I go to. I pickup everything I can find. Most of it is 40 S&W right now, followed by 9mm and 380acp. Rifle brass is few and far between.


For swaging I use a Dillon tool. I used a press mounted RCBS one at first but never could get a good swage out of it and it took way more effort then the Dillon.

WB

gifbohane said:

Thanks for the reply. It looks a lot like the Dillon swager. For another $30 I would tend to get the Dillon. Did you find it easy to set up?

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Yes it looks like the Dillon but the handle that you use to swage with looks like it might give you a little more leverage on the RCBS one. It is easy to set up just adjust the one rod until the swage tool bottoms out in the primer pocket and you are good to go. Maybe 5 minutes to change from one size primer to the other. Once you get it set up you are good to go. Same swage every time.

I like my RCBS swager, but it works best if you sort your head stamps. Sometimes though, I’ll still get a primer that hesitates to enter the pocket... so Ive taken to giving the pocket a quick turn with a countersink as well, just to break the edge. It doesn’t take but a moment, and I just incorporate it into the inspection process

BigBlue 94 said:

The one range ive been to doesn't allow brass to be picked up off the floor... Even your own brass.

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That is absolutely outrageous. Your brass is your possession. If you accidently dropped your rifle or wallet would you have to leave that behind as well?

OneFreeTexan said:

...how do you pick up brass off the ground easier without a lot of bending and kneeling??

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My wife likes to go to yoga classes. Me, I get my bending and stretching by picking up brass...reloader's yoga if you will. No yoga pants required!

LC is hell to run through a small base sizing die.

entropy said:

New shooters (and maybe some not so new; many who reload other calibers never bothered with 5.56/.223) who don't reload. Their loss, your gain. I too, have been finding more LC M855 brass, but maybe two or three strippers full. And usually I find the strippers in the garbage cans. Yes, I dive the cans.

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Dedication

gifbohane said:

OneFree-

Lake City brass. I really like it.

And 2)- I pick it up by bending over. I do it so much that it does not hurt or concern me. Probably good for my health.

My shooting buddies say I look like a homeless person picking up used cigarette butts. I reply by telling him how my ammo costs in relation to theirs.

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$16/box of 50 on 44 mag after first brass firing. And that’s Hornady bullets. Lower when some places like Montana Gold and RMR are in stock.

I definitely do the squat to save everyone the view.

BigBlue 94 said:

The one range ive been to doesn't allow brass to be picked up off the floor... Even your own brass.

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That’s hot garbage

I use One Shot, and soak them thoroughly before sizing in my RCBS small base dies; if they start to get harder to work, I spray the next one again before working it, allowing time to dry.

The area I live in has a lot of military installations with the related firearms practice. Therefore, I see many LC cases and others, all NATO stamped. I have become friends with some of the guys and they give me 5 gallon pails full of 5.56/223, 7.62x51, 9mm and 45acp. In most cases I must supply the pails. Most times these guys are not around for more than a few years often much less. I still have pails full from 5 years ago. I in turn give brass to my friends at my range. This is your tax dollar at work benefiting the common folks.

Doesn’t swaging and crimp remover does basically the same thing?

One removes brass while the other just moves it back.

sarduy said:

Doesn’t swaging and crimp remover does basically the same thing?

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Blue68f100 said:

One removes brass while the other just moves it back.

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What Blue said...the swager pushes the brass back out to roughly where it was before it was crimped. The cutter-type crimp removal tools remove the brass acting as the crimp. At the end of the day, they both perform the same function(removing the crimp), but in different manners.