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The other downside is you will get hooked and spend a couple of weekends a month going to matches near you. And if you do not already reload, you will. 
Got to check out my first cowboy action shooting match
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Captain*kirk
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I do...The other downside is you will get hooked and spend a couple of weekends a month going to matches near you. And if you do not already reload, you will.
Captain*kirk
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Thanks for that link! Lots of reading material there. Looks like all I am missing is the shotgun.
Driftwood Johnson
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Be sure to read it carefully. Your rifle has to be chambered for a 'pistol' cartridge. Such as 45 Colt, or 44-40, or 357 Mag, or a bunch of others. 'Rifle' cartridges, such as 30-30 are not allowed in the Main Match. Shotguns can be a SXS or the Winchester 1897 pump. That is the only pump shotgun allowed, and SXS shotguns may not have ejectors. Only extractors. Single trigger or double trigger is fine for a SXS shotgun.
Captain*kirk
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My rifle is a '66 Winchester in .44-40
J-Bar
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Sounds like you are already one of us!
Go to a match as a spectator, ask questions before buying ANYTHING. It will save you much grief.
Go to a match as a spectator, ask questions before buying ANYTHING. It will save you much grief.
Driftwood Johnson
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You are a man after my own heart.
My CAS rifles are mostly 44-40, with a couple of 38-40s thrown in.
My CAS rifles are mostly 44-40, with a couple of 38-40s thrown in.
Jim Watson
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I only have one "set" of CAS guns; a .44 WCF rifle, a .44 Special Colt with .44-40 cylinder added, a .44-40 Cimarron, and an elderly Verney Carron 12 ga double. Occasionally supplemented with my .38 S&W Legal Defender Navy conversion and S&W .44 R or .38-44. My CAS pocket pistol was a .38 Single Action S&W and my Derringer was a Great Western .38 S&W. All of those but the Legal Defender since passed on to collectors.
Oh, yeah, sometimes you need a knife, mine a W. Cox; Sheffield, England.
Oh, yeah, sometimes you need a knife, mine a W. Cox; Sheffield, England.
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This pair of 2nd Gen Colts are my usual Main Match pistols. Both are chambered for 45 Colt. The one at the top left the factory in 1973 with a 12" barrel. Within a week it was sent back to the factory in the present 7 1/2" barrel was fitted to it. The one at the bottom is a 'parts' gun. It left the factory in 1968, but some of the parts are not original. Before I bought it somebody had 'antiqued' it by stripping off all the finish, so I got it pretty cheap. Many years of only shooting Black Powder through it have contributed a bit to its patina.
Here is my rig, a 'Duke' style rig custom made for me when I first started. I found out a long time ago that it weighs way too much with the loops filled with ammo, so I only keep a few 44-40 rounds handy for the occasional rifle reload. Probably need to lose the knife, it gets in the way a lot.
My Uberti 'iron frame' 44-40 Henry has been my main match rifle for about ten years now.
The first match I went to the only legal rifle I had was this antique 44-40 Marlin Model 1894. It developed a problem and I had to borrow a rifle to finish the match. Later I got it fixed and it will occasionally come to a match with me these days.
I found this antique 44-40 Winchester Model 1892 the first year in CAS. It was my Main Match rifle for a few years.
When the Black Powder bug hit me everything I read said that cleaning BP fouling out of thousands of pits in an old bore was not a good thing. (Which turned out to be untrue.) Anyway, for BP I bought this used 44-40 Uberti 1873. Shot it for a few years until I got the Henry.
This lovely little old Stevens hammer gun has been my CAS shotgun for quite some time now.
Maybe once a year I bring my pair of S&W New Model Number Threes to a match. 44 Russian, Black Powder only of course.
Maybe once a year I will bring my 44-40 Merwin Hulbert Pocket Army.
If I bring the Merwin I usually pair it with one of the Smiths.
This pair of 2nd Gen Colts are my usual Main Match pistols. Both are chambered for 45 Colt. The one at the top left the factory in 1973 with a 12" barrel. Within a week it was sent back to the factory in the present 7 1/2" barrel was fitted to it. The one at the bottom is a 'parts' gun. It left the factory in 1968, but some of the parts are not original. Before I bought it somebody had 'antiqued' it by stripping off all the finish, so I got it pretty cheap. Many years of only shooting Black Powder through it have contributed a bit to its patina.
Here is my rig, a 'Duke' style rig custom made for me when I first started. I found out a long time ago that it weighs way too much with the loops filled with ammo, so I only keep a few 44-40 rounds handy for the occasional rifle reload. Probably need to lose the knife, it gets in the way a lot.
My Uberti 'iron frame' 44-40 Henry has been my main match rifle for about ten years now.
The first match I went to the only legal rifle I had was this antique 44-40 Marlin Model 1894. It developed a problem and I had to borrow a rifle to finish the match. Later I got it fixed and it will occasionally come to a match with me these days.
I found this antique 44-40 Winchester Model 1892 the first year in CAS. It was my Main Match rifle for a few years.
When the Black Powder bug hit me everything I read said that cleaning BP fouling out of thousands of pits in an old bore was not a good thing. (Which turned out to be untrue.) Anyway, for BP I bought this used 44-40 Uberti 1873. Shot it for a few years until I got the Henry.
This lovely little old Stevens hammer gun has been my CAS shotgun for quite some time now.
Maybe once a year I bring my pair of S&W New Model Number Threes to a match. 44 Russian, Black Powder only of course.
Maybe once a year I will bring my 44-40 Merwin Hulbert Pocket Army.
If I bring the Merwin I usually pair it with one of the Smiths.
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If there is an NCOWS posse near you then you only need two guns to shoot CAS. Or you can shoot three guns without the shotgun, or you can shoot all four the choice is yours.
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You wear your Duke rig with the belt upside down? That's interesting.
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Putting the rig away for the Winter
Tommygunn
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Love that rig and those guns, DocRock! I only have one Schofield ...
Captain*kirk
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Sweet! Must have set you back a pretty penny! Looked at getting a Schofield, but way outta my tax bracket.
DocRock
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Those are Ubertis. But they are true to the S&W design. They have probably only had about 50 rounds of smokeless through them ever and at least 1200 black powder rounds (200 grs J/P Big Lube over 26 grs 3 Fffg mainly). The Schofield design does allow fouling to get down into the arbor pin, so they will eventually bind up, but I have shot an eight stage match without binding and without any disassembly or cleaning. I will, at some point during a match, spray a few squirts of Ballistol just to keep everything nice and soft. I really like them and appreciate the rounded grip design that makes recoil nonexistent and sets up each follow up shot for single action perfectly.
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That's the load I shoot in Schofield brass except I shoot Colt style pistols usually Cimarron model P black powder frame. My wife shoots Schofield but smokeless.
indy1919a4
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VERY NICE+ What caliber are they..????.
Driftwood Johnson
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Well, not quite.
The original Schofield had a cylinder 1 7/16" long, because that was the cylinder length S&W settled on when they made their first Top Break revolver, the American Model in 1869. A 1 7/16" long cylinder was just right for the 44 S&W American round and the later 44 Russian round. Interestingly enough, the Army bought 1000 American Models in 1869, chambered for the 44 S&W round. When S&W decided to go after a military contract after Colt received their first contract in 1873, the Army insisted the caliber had to be 45, not 44. It was no problem opening up the bore of their revolvers, which were all 44 caliber a little bit to 45, but the 1 7/16" long cylinder was not long enough for the 45 Colt round. S&W was in the middle of eventually producing over 150,000 Russian model Top Breaks for the Russian, Turkish, and Japanese governments, and they did not want to come up with new tooling for a longer cylinder. So S&W proposed the 45 Schofield round, which was short enough to fit in a 1 7/16" long cylinder.
Fast forward to ASM and Uberti making their version of the Schofield, and they wanted to chamber them for longer, and more easily available rounds, such as 45 Colt and 44-40. This meant a longer cylinder, but they did not want to lengthen the top strap a corresponding amount to compensate for the longer cylinder. Instead they chose to shorten the bushing on the front of the cylinder that protects the arbor from fouling blasted out of the barrel/cylinder gap. So long story made short, the Uberti Schofields are very similar to the original design, the S&W version of 2000 had a frame mounted firing pin, but the cylinders and the cylinder bushing are a little bit different.
By the way DocRock, glad to hear you can fire them most of the day without needing cleaning. Not every body can manage that. Nice bullet, that J/P 200 huh? I hear it was designed by a guy named Johnson.
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This is the cylinder of an original Schofield revolver. The piece pressed into the front of the cylinder is the bushing that protects the arbor from fouling blasted out of the barrel/cylinder gap. The bushing still exists on the Uberti Schofields, but it is much shorter and does not shield the arbor from powder blasted out of the barrel/cylinder gap as well as this bushing did.
The cylinder of a New Model Number Three. The bushing is a separate part, pressed into the front of the cylinder.
The barrel cylinder gap on one of my NM#3s. Notice how the bushing completely covers the area of the cylinder near the Barrel/Cylinder gap. The gap between the front of the bushing and the frame is horizontally removed far enough from the B/C gap that almost no fouling gets blasted onto the underlying cylinder arbor, the main cause of revolvers binding when fired with Black Powder. Yeah, I'm going to brag a little bit and say that I can fire these revolvers all day and they don't need any attention to keep them rolling. S&W really knew how to design a Black Powder revolver.
For what it's worth, after Russian production had been completed, S&W eventually lengthened the cylinders on some of their New Model Number Three and 44 Double Action revolvers to 1 9/16" long to accommodate longer cartridges such as 44-40 and 38-40. But they never chambered any of their Top Breaks for 45 Colt.
This is the cylinder of an original Schofield revolver. The piece pressed into the front of the cylinder is the bushing that protects the arbor from fouling blasted out of the barrel/cylinder gap. The bushing still exists on the Uberti Schofields, but it is much shorter and does not shield the arbor from powder blasted out of the barrel/cylinder gap as well as this bushing did.
The cylinder of a New Model Number Three. The bushing is a separate part, pressed into the front of the cylinder.
The barrel cylinder gap on one of my NM#3s. Notice how the bushing completely covers the area of the cylinder near the Barrel/Cylinder gap. The gap between the front of the bushing and the frame is horizontally removed far enough from the B/C gap that almost no fouling gets blasted onto the underlying cylinder arbor, the main cause of revolvers binding when fired with Black Powder. Yeah, I'm going to brag a little bit and say that I can fire these revolvers all day and they don't need any attention to keep them rolling. S&W really knew how to design a Black Powder revolver.
For what it's worth, after Russian production had been completed, S&W eventually lengthened the cylinders on some of their New Model Number Three and 44 Double Action revolvers to 1 9/16" long to accommodate longer cartridges such as 44-40 and 38-40. But they never chambered any of their Top Breaks for 45 Colt.
Every sass match I have shot since 82 had drawing from holsters.
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