Are "black guns" needed more now

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357smallbore said:
Just wondering if the "black guns" aka. assault weapons. Now more than ever is it best to hang on to them. I've seen where people have bought all they can from buying the gun to literally buying dozens of hi cap magazines.
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An assault weapon fires semi and full auto. You are referring to modern sporting rifles. There are no "hi cap" magazines. There are standard and low capacity magazines. Learn it and stop using the lexicon of the enemy.
 
Are "black guns" needed more now

Oh I think you mean modern firearms. Well it depends. Although I don't care much for the looks of modern firearms such as the AR platform I would not want to use an obsolete firearm if it means my personal health or life may be jeopardized as opposed to minimized if I had the advantages a modern firearm could provide.

They are lightweight, ergonomic, and reliable which is greatly appreciated by anyone who has to carry or lug them around all day . Despite that they are not anymore deadlier than older heavy wood stocked semi autos that can be fired just as fast in both the same type of caliber or the bigger hunting calibers that have more range, penetration, and ballistics just as devastating if not more.

For fun I would not mind fiddling with muzzle loaders and all sorts of kooky weird guns some of which are listed as AOW (pen guns, wallet guns, cane, belt buckle, umbrella guns etc....) even though no sane person would ever even dream of using them in any defense role short of sheer desperation.

As far as crazies, terrorists, and the like are concerned then maybe you better have gasoline and kitchen knife control as well. In fact there is a major chain of stores in Great Britain that has pledged to sell only blunt tip kitchen knives in response to England's "knife violence" problem.

Of course the Bobbies have decided billy clubs are not enough and now pack modern firearms.
 
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Ignition Override said:
Note: this is not meant to be ridicule, only intended to remind each other to remember that the media's objectives are to boost ratings and sway various opinions. It is extremely sophisticated and quite effective------we should never forget that
* fear breeds revenue shifts, and consumer spending; enough mags to take an insurgent house in Ramadi Iraq etc..
** Whose houses in the US have actually Been attacked due to organized urban chaos? ....few, about zero o_O------). Suburban chaos in Residential Areas?---Zero. They have partly won--in a psychological sense.

The anti-gunners in Wash. DC realize that the more insidious, subtle accumulations of anti-gun victories have been won in state governments.

Somehow it is impossible for me to see a repeat of the embattled streets of Vienna and Berlin in the 1920s. Images are on Google. Should I buy a wheeled 37 mm cannon like they used in Vienna?
Maybe my paranoia needs to be enhanced, to become fashionable..

But then........ limiting anxiety about graphic television images from Portland/Seattle during the video 'barrage' last spring/summer, which were in very specific areas of (primarily) Two downtowns. Why fixate on anything similar?
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Uh, do you know someone who has a 37mm gun for sale? Asking for a friend.......
 
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No idea about 20mm, 37 mm etc. That was just to make a point about media indoctrination with constant flashes of graphically violent tv images, at least until last summer.

Has he tried to contact Ian McCollum, with the famous "Forgotten Weapons" series?

And he must already be aware of the >> custom << .50 BMG or similar (and cool shotguns etc) produced by Serbu Arms, near Tampa?
That guy had a tentative 50 BMG contract with NY police depts., but after the Safe Act was passed, Mark Serbu said Get Lost! His t-shirt said "No BMG (or such) For You"!

Seinfeld producer 'Big Baby' Larry David, very anti-gun, threatened to sue over this partial copyright infringement-- No Soup--and Mark canned the t-shirts.
Serbu's attitude, by itself, would earn My business if the cash could be justified (and .50 ammo costs).
 
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GEM said:
So I can shoot a carbine match and be only 3 points down on 50 humanoid targets with a semi gun- why that is obviously a toy or sporting gun and absolutely safe for all! No one will buy that. The guns have to be protected for their core 2nd Amendment reasons to exist. Don't stress the term correction except in a polite manner.
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HEAR HEAR!!!!

I am so sick of this issue. When I was in the Army, it was ingrained to stay off the 3 round burst except in final protective fire. Anyone caught using the burst mode (even with blanks) got to run around the barracks with their rifle over their head until they puked. If the Army is teaching deliberate, aimed, semi-auto fire, then the term "assault rifle" is fairly applied to the AR15. In terms of how they're used, and what they were designed for, there is no practical difference.

As you say, the guns have to be protected for their core 2nd Amendment value.
 
Ivy Mike said:
The 2nd Amendment says a well regulated militia. Meaning, these (white) men were drilled and trained in the use of their arms, in support of government. It was never a blanket provision for the ownership and carry of any firearm you liked, just because. Your state usually took care of that. A number of states are quite specific in their protections of the right to own guns for sporting purposes, defense and other lawful purposes. NV, for example, has its right to arms and its militia provisions in completely separate sections. They have nothing to do with each other. Virginia, has a slightly more specific interpretation, but the right to own guns is clearly tied to the service in state militias.

and there is very little to show that Imperial Japanese Navy Admiral Yamamoto, ever actually made that statement about a rifle behind every blade of grass. Imperial Japan knew the invasion of the west coast of the USA would be daunting because, logistically, you're not going to get close. They didn't have the capability to make it across the Pacific and mount such an offensive. The only reason the USA could do it, is because we bought those Pacific islands with blood. Any trip from Japan to California is a one-way trip, because you can't refuel to get home.
Oh, and you have the entire US Pacific Fleet, the US Army Air Corps, and the US Army and USMC standing there waiting for you when you get close. Imperial Japan was not worried about grandpas deer rifle, they were worried about Marines with machine guns.
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My internet service provider has obviously rerouted my web browser to CNN.
 
GEM said:
As discussed - modern sporting rifles is just a BS term, made up to try to appease antigun folks - don't take my sporting toy, please. I'll be a good sportsman or woman.
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To me a modern sporting rifle is a bolt rifle. Semi auto rifles for sporting purposes were introduced in the 50's. The Remington 740 was one of those. They weren't hugely popular as most "sportsmen" were hunters and at that time would rather have a bolt rifle because it affords better accuracy and is more dependable. I think that's still true because they still sell a lot of bolt rifles to hunters. The definition of "sporting" changed to include semi-auto rifles. Games, competition and target shooting have become popular "sports" so If someone wants to call an AR a sporting rifle that seems appropriate to me.

Personally I don't like labels. It makes no sense to me to label a firearm for it's intended purpose. What difference does it make if you have a self loading SD shotgun or one to shoot a duck? It's still a shotgun. Therefore an AR-15 is just a rifle. The military doesn't use them as combat weapons so it isn't a military weapon. Magazine capacity is a different can of worms. I anticipate that's going to be changed real soon.
 
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BreechFace said:
You would do best not to use the uninformed masses terms for AR15's, they are not "assault weapons," and they are not "hi cap magazines". They are "AR15's or AR's" and "standard capacity magazines". Quit supporting their false narrative about inanimate objects, its ridiculous and a very real tool used to subvert our freedom given to us by the 2A. This is not me being nitpicky, so don't take it as such, its just unfortunate when gun owners start using verbiage established by those that wish to disarm the American people.

And yes, like was said by @HB this happens every 4 years and especially on this year's tumultuous election cycle.
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You gotta admit, this election is over the top..mlabeit with the same BS we've seen before. There is some real desperation going on....and luckily this time the swamp is a little shallower thanks to our current president. We havent had a president that opposed the New World Order since Reagan...or at least Reagan didnt go along with it. And that's probably why he got shot which almost put G.H.W. Bush (father of the NWO) in the Oval Office 7 years early. What a coincidence Bush was head of the CIA! Every president since him endorsed the NWO except Trump. Connect the dots to 2016...and then to.2020, and it pretty much explains the last 4 years.
 
35433657_1.jpg When the "pandemic" first hit, and it was clear they would enforce quarantines and people were hoarding and getting panicky, I took my quirky AK47 which needed a trunion issue repaired right to my LGS and had it done. I wasn't fooling around. If things really did get bad and people started looting and running amok, I wanted the real deal in full working order.

Incidentally, a "paratrooper" SKS with stripper clips makes a really good SHTF weapon. No mags to lose. Lighter. More concealable and better accuracy than an AK.of the same size. And doesn't look so stereotypically evil. I can't speak for the AR platform as I've never owned one. They do tend to need more maintenance and fine tuning but they are fine weapons. I just think when times are rough you need a weapon that's rough. That's why my other SHTF weapon is a 7.62x51 Enfield with about 50 loaded five-round stripper clips. I dont want to spend time babying my weapons when my real concern is getting food and resources and preserving my homestead. Anything that can hold it's own within 200yards and can take a beating as I run around getting things done. I'm not interested in launching high tech precision assaults on others. I just want to hold my own as I focus on the basics of survival.

Attached photo is a "paratrooper" type SKS. I dont have one. I wouldn't trade my AK for one, but I almost think they're better for a number of reasons.
 

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I think the riots over the summer put on full display just how essential the ownership of black rifles is when society begins to break down. I watched the Kenosha incident and concluded that in a similar situation, a lever gun or bolt gun would have been useless and cost that young man his life.

A highly maneuverable short rifle, with maximum capacity, utmost reliability, in semi-auto, and that can be wielded with one hand is absolutely essential is situations such as riots and looting.

I believe the riots were a boon to the argument for the retention of the right to own such black rifles.
 
Trey Veston said:
I think the riots over the summer put on full display just how essential the ownership of black rifles is when society begins to break down. I watched the Kenosha incident and concluded that in a similar situation, a lever gun or bolt gun would have been useless and cost that young man his life.

A highly maneuverable short rifle, with maximum capacity, utmost reliability, in semi-auto, and that can be wielded with one hand is absolutely essential is situations such as riots and looting.

I believe the riots were a boon to the argument for the retention of the right to own such black rifles.
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I agree with you, however, I would make the argument that that black rifle indeed cost that young man his life. He's going to turn 18 in prison and spend the rest of his life there. (As though Merle Haggard's song was a documentary.) I'm fairly certain he regrets being out there at all.

As the father of an 18 year old young man, my heart aches for his family, but Kyle Rittenhouse woke me to the reality that my son isn't out of the woods yet.
 
I think these arguments over terminology are ridiculous.

The pro-gun control side controls the Media and for every one of us who are saying things like standard capacity magazine as opposed to high capacity magazine, there are thousands of them beating "high capacity, full semi automatic machine gun" into the Public's mind. We have lost that battle.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the Statists want us disarmed. I used to think that it would be incremental, as it actually has been up to this point.

Now I think that if this election turns out the way it looks like it's going to and there is a straight Democrat house, Democrat Senate and Democrat presidency they're going to ban everything semi-automatic. Then they're going to go after revolvers and lever actions. Then they're going to take your pump shotguns and your bolt guns.

I also believe that the vast majority of Americans will roll over and turn them in.
 
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