Weird CCW: short barreled single action.

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*sigh*

This is fallen off track as people keep pulling the conversation in the ways that they want to argue.

This is not a " What do you think of a SA for CCW ?" thread, it's a "What SA's are out there for CCW?" The opinion that SA revolvers aren't right for CCW is meaningless to me, I don't care. I've shown an example of a class for their use in defence, I'm aware of my abilities, my circumstances and my needs. I'm not engaging hoards of targets with delusion of the Old West. I'm sitting, in a car, with no one around , in a very rural environment and more worried about animals. I saw 2 people today on my route, neither were shifty.

Enough
 
AK103K said:
If you are rational about it. I question the number of people who really are.

As Kleanbore keeps asking, how often do you run realistic drills in practice with what you carry, and from how you carry it?

This isn't about cops vs civilian encounters, it's about the encounter you get, no matter what that might be, and your ability to deal with it, with what you have. If you think a SA revolver fits that bill, more power to you. If it were all I had, I'd be glad I had it, but I wouldn't be happy, it was all I had.

If it is your choice, I'd highly suggest you take a course and/or shoot a couple of matches with it, and then see what you think. Im betting you have a different outlook on things on the backside, than you did going in.

Assuming you're being rational about it. :)
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Tell that to the CAS shooters. They can run a Single better than most novices can run a Glock.

And yes, I do practice drawing and reloading the gun. No, I don’t do competition and don’t take a bunch of expensive classes. I’m 71 years old and have made it this far.
 
JCooperfan1911 said:
Tell that to the CAS shooters. They can run a Single better than most novices can run a Glock.
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They do that two handed, with light loads.

And novices, not matter how armed, are not prudently equipped for self defense. Toolset comes last.

JCooperfan1911 said:
And yes, I do practice drawing and reloading the gun.
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Good, but a DA revolver shooter with a speedloader would be very hard pressed to reload in an actual defensive situation.

Reloading a solid-frame single action? Forget it.
 
After reading most of this thread, you'd think we still lived in the Wild West (as depicted by Hollywood).

I think the most likely scenario any of us would have that would involve any kind of shooting would be a home invasion. That encounter is likely to last less than 10 seconds, involve no more than 2 or 3 shots and it won't involve any kind of quick draw or long distance shooting. It will be up-close and personal, and ugly.

For me, I'd use another kind of SA, a 1911, but any one of my .45's would do fine, which ever one is close at hand.
 
Dudemeister said:
I think the most likely scenario any of us would have that would involve any kind of shooting would be a home invasion
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In Lessons from the Street (the Rangemaster analysis of actual events experienced by former Rangemaster students), most of the attacks occurred outside.

Dudemeister said:
no more than 2 or 3 shots
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Most trained defenders will shoot that many at the outset.
 
Antihero said:
*sigh*

This is fallen off track as people keep pulling the conversation in the ways that they want to argue.

This is not a " What do you think of a SA for CCW ?" thread, it's a "What SA's are out there for CCW?" The opinion that SA revolvers aren't right for CCW is meaningless to me, I don't care. I've shown an example of a class for their use in defence, I'm aware of my abilities, my circumstances and my needs. I'm not engaging hoards of targets with delusion of the Old West. I'm sitting, in a car, with no one around , in a very rural environment and more worried about animals. I saw 2 people today on my route, neither were shifty.

Enough
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Things veered off because statements were made to cause that to happen.

And just your statement above is yet another statement that will likely draw some comments.

I had no intention of even bringing it up here, but it was brought up, and some things needed to be mentioned.

I live in a very rural area too, and all sorts of shifty crap happens out here. Youre fooling yourself if you think it doesnt. It happens everywhere too.

All it takes is a bunch of homeboys coming out of town and getting lost in the blackness of the hinterlands, and mistaking your place for the meth heads place up the road, and boom, the game is on. Or, maybe the Quick Stop down on the highway is just to isolated and inviting to pass up, and you picked a bad time to go get a sixpack and a can of chew.

People need to get their brains in gear and their midsets out of vapor lock and fantasy, and face a bit of reality when it comes to this.

And age has nothing to do with any of this. You either keep up or get left behind, and the lessons are always ongoing and never stop. If you get so creaky you cant keep up, then you have to get sneakier, and work a little harder on your cheating, which already should be very strong anyway. That, is very much an age based advantage. :p

And if anything, age is just another reson to have a gun that is easy on you to shoot, and will let you do so, "for a while". :thumbup:
 
AK103K said:
Things veered off because statements were made to cause that to happen.

And just your statement above is yet another statement that will likely draw some comments.

I had no intention of even bringing it up here, but it was brought up, and some things needed to be mentioned.

I live in a very rural area too, and all sorts of shifty crap happens out here. Youre fooling yourself if you think it doesnt. It happens everywhere too.

All it takes is a bunch of homeboys coming out of town and getting lost in the blackness of the hinterlands, and mistaking your place for the meth heads place up the road, and boom, the game is on. Or, maybe the Quick Stop down on the highway is just to isolated and inviting to pass up, and you picked a bad time to go get a sixpack and a can of chew.

People need to get their brains in gear and their midsets out of vapor lock and fantasy, and face a bit of reality when it comes to this.

And age has nothing to do with any of this. You either keep up or get left behind, and the lessons are always ongoing and never stop. If you get so creaky you cant keep up, then you have to get sneakier, and work a little harder on your cheating, which already should be very strong anyway. That, is very much an age based advantage. :p

And if anything, age is just another reson to have a gun that is easy on you to shoot, and will let you do so, "for a while". :thumbup:
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And now the CCW piece is also my home defense piece ?

Do you see the escalation here? And again you feel that you are the person with the answers and I'm fooling myself. It's BS again and again.

I need you to ACTUALLY read this ok? Anything else than actually reading this is you projecting. Ready?

I am mostly worried about animals

I am in such a rural area that the gun shows are literally held in the schools here. I almost bought a gun in front of my school locker.

There are not roaming gangs of "homeboys" ( which we are just gonna glide by the backhanded racism right there).

Sure, shifty stuff happens in the country. No there isn't much here. I believe the last fatal shooting was in 2002 here. We are talking less than 1k people in an area.

I have other guns, this isn't my only gun. Hell, it isn't even my only carry gun. If I did this, it wouldn't even be carried all the time.

I'm not older, I'm 37

I carry a Blackhawk in the woods every time I'm out there. This happens a lot.

I carry a 329pd when I'm doing the route now because the 4 inch barrel is shorter than my Blackhawk and it's significantly lighter.

I have fired many many many thousands of rounds thru my Blackhawk over the years.

Whether or not you believe a SA is a good choice, I do and I actually know my area and needs way more than you do. I've lived here for 29 years.

I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm trying to be firm. My situation is different than most who appear to be under constant siege and fear for their lives. The 329pd actually fits my circumstances really well and I probably don't need anything else really.

Pretty much the only thing I could have mentioned to get this more off course would be to ask about bear.......
 
AK103K said:
Things veered off because statements were made to cause that to happen.

And just your statement above is yet another statement that will likely draw some comments.

I had no intention of even bringing it up here, but it was brought up, and some things needed to be mentioned.

I live in a very rural area too, and all sorts of shifty crap happens out here. Youre fooling yourself if you think it doesnt. It happens everywhere too.

All it takes is a bunch of homeboys coming out of town and getting lost in the blackness of the hinterlands, and mistaking your place for the meth heads place up the road, and boom, the game is on. Or, maybe the Quick Stop down on the highway is just to isolated and inviting to pass up, and you picked a bad time to go get a sixpack and a can of chew.

People need to get their brains in gear and their midsets out of vapor lock and fantasy, and face a bit of reality when it comes to this.

And age has nothing to do with any of this. You either keep up or get left behind, and the lessons are always ongoing and never stop. If you get so creaky you cant keep up, then you have to get sneakier, and work a little harder on your cheating, which already should be very strong anyway. That, is very much an age based advantage. :p

And if anything, age is just another reson to have a gun that is easy on you to shoot, and will let you do so, "for a while". :thumbup:
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Sheesh... It's comments like these that make me thankful I live in a slightly more sedate part of the country.
 
Dudemeister said:
Sheesh... It's comments like these that make me thankful I live in a slightly more sedate part of the country.
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Hey, we live in Amish/Mennonite farm country, a 30 to 45 minute ride in any direction to get to a road that will start to take you anywhere. Its pretty quiet, but as with most places, its not "perfect".

Hey, if you boys want to carry a SA revolver, knock yourself out. I have them, and they would be my last choice, but thats me.

It would be interesting to hear how you came up with that being the best choice for a daily use defensive gun and how you came to that decision. What about it makes it "the best", for any kind of realistic "do all" (or as much as possible) situation.

I have a couple of SA guns, and had a few more in the past, and having tried to shoot just simple drills with them, cant see any reality there. You basically have a 5-6 shooter and no realistic chance at a reload. Other than a toy, BBQ, or maybe a specialty type gun for some things, Im not really seeing it, but Im always willing to learn something new.

It would also be interesting to hear how you practice staying fresh and relevant with them. A simple and important thing, and one that a lot of people just dont seem to want to discuss or get into.
 
Kleanbore said:
Most trained defenders will shoot that many at the outset.
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I was talking about home invasions, not outdoor shootouts. How many shots would you shoot inside your own home?

I doubt you would need to use more than 2-3 shots unless your home was being invaded by a horde. Most breaking and entering is done by 2 bit thieves, thinking there's no one at home. When faced with deadly force, I would venture that any accomplice that may be standing is going to drop everything and scoot in hurry.

In my neck of the wood, most "gun fights" happen in areas frequented by gangs, and they usually amount to a drive by "hit". I haven't heard of any shootout in the streets. Yes once in a great while some "mentally defective" guy goes into an office or some crowded place and starts shooting, but that's very rare.
 
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Dudemeister said:
Sheesh... It's comments like these that make me thankful I live in a slightly more sedate part of the country.
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More sedate than what?

Why does the comment strike you unfavorably? I find the comment to be balanced and realistic.

Barring gated communities and perhaps some places accessible only by water, there are no safe places. There are bad people, some desperate, and they are mobile.

I do not expect trouble. I happen to be extremely risk averse. We do not go out when it is icy; I try to avoid driving after people's cocktail hours; we have a number of fire extinguishers; we have an automatic generator; I carry a gun.

I have employed a single action revolver (Colt 5 1/2 inch, .45 Colt) in a serious DGU in Colorado; it's what I had. It worked (no shots fired). I loaded it with five, hammer on an empty chamber.

I could shoot it well, but It would never serve me for CCW.
 
Kleanbore said:
I know no one who meets that description.

Is there a reason for concealment?
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Mostly personal comfort, partially to keep it protected from weather when I'm outside in winter.

I usually carry in a shoulder holster
 
Dudemeister said:
How many shots would you shoot inside your own home?

I doubt you would need to use more than 2-3 shots unless your home was being invaded by a horde. Most breaking and entering is done by 2 bit thieves, thinking there's no one at home. When faced with deadly force, I would venture that any accomplice that may be standing is going to drop everything and scoot in hurry.
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How many rounds does it take to stop someone? Its a trick question, the answer is, exactly what it takes. :thumbup:

I normally shoot 2-3 round bursts every time I fire. DA revolver or auto. Handguns suck as man stoppers and you have to shoot until the threat is stopped, and that takes exactly what it takes. You need to be used to shooting quickly and repetitively, and keep it up until things are solved.

And that goes for critters that might be a threat as well. Do you shoot and then stop and see what happens after each round, or do you shoot until something does happen?
 
Dudemeister said:
How many shots would you shoot inside your own home?
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Hopefully, none.

However, should the need arise, I would shoot to stop---2 to 5, as the need presents itself, in an interval of one to two-plus seconds. That's per attacker. I want a margin, and I do not want the gun to become empty.

Read AK103's response.

I would not shoot a thief. Only home invaders when there is reason to believe that I face an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm and have no other safe alternative..

That has happened three times since 1964. I have never had to fire a shot.
 
Antihero said:
Weird CCW and probably just a flight of fancy but what's out there?

I really liked the Carryhawk in theory but I thought it was supposed to be a 4 inch barrel instead of the 4 5/8 that I see it has. 5/8ths may not be a killer but even 4 inch is getting big for a CCW. I already have a longer barreled Blackhawk and it's been quite a gun for me.

Cimmaron makes the Thunderer in 3.5 I see too, anyone else ? I'm really leaning towards 45acp/45 Colt here.

I've probably been watching too much Hell on Wheels and playing too much Red Dead Redemption lol
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I have a Thunderer in 3.5 inch..38Spec/357 tho..Mine is a Beretta labeled but Uberti manufactured Thunderer..REALLY like it, great fun and I even carrie copy.jpg d it once in a cross draw holster.
 
A single action for CCW? One?

I don' like hammer spurs on concealed firearms.

I don't like having to cock the gun between shots, and I prefer more capacity.

Reloading one is slow, but I doubt I would have the opportunity.

The romantic in me does like the SAA--for recreational shooting.

Another romantic who likes it was Geo. S. Patton. He insisted on carrying an SAA in Mexico when everyone else was carrying a 1911.

It almost cost him his life. His gun ran dry, and he was just barely able to reload before being killed.

He was stubborn, and he refused to give up the SAA.

But he resolved to always carry two guns after that.

I wondered why anyone would carry a Registered Magnum and a Single Action Army.
 
Besides the fact that the OP is already head and shoulders above the *vast* majority of the populace if he carries a Colt Lord or a Baby Browning- let alone a full bore fighting iron... if he's comfortable with it, capable with it, and it suits *his* needs, wants, and tastes... more power to him. People tend to forget that not everyone lives in the middle of Crime City, USA. Tailor your weaponry to your capability and your scenario.
 
Mr. Mosin said:
Besides the fact that the OP is already head and shoulders above the *vast* majority of the populace if he carries a Colt Lord or a Baby Browning- let alone a full bore fighting iron... if he's comfortable with it, capable with it, and it suits *his* needs, wants, and tastes... more power to him.
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I have no idea what a Colt Lord is, but if one's "needs and wants" include any kind of effectiveness in terms of terminal ballistics, the Baby Browning is out.

Mr. Mosin said:
Tailor your weaponry to your capability and your scenario.
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How might one know the scenario before it presents itself?
 
Kleanbore said:
I have no idea what a Colt Lord is, but if one's "needs and wants" include any kind of effectiveness in terms of terminal ballistics, the Baby Browning is out.

How might one know the scenario before it presents itself?
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Colt Lord is/was a .22S single shot derringer. In regards to "scenario"... pick the most likely and roll with it. You get all frantic trying to prepare for every scenario, you'll give yourself a stroke worrying over it. Do what you can for your most likely scenario, and carry on.
 
Mr. Mosin said:
Colt Lord is/was a .22S single shot derringer. In regards to "scenario"...
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I remember it. It was the least effective defensive weapon one could choose.

Mr. Mosin said:
In regards to "scenario"... pick the most likely and roll with it....Do what you can for your most likely scenario, and carry on...
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There is no single "most likely" scenario.

Mr. Mosin said:
You get all frantic trying to prepare for every scenario, you'll give yourself a stroke worrying over it
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I do not know what you are envisioning when you say that.

One can develop the skills that would be most effective in a range of likely scenarios. Fast draw while moving off line, firing several shots very rapidly into the area of a small pie plate at distances out to five yards, taking advantage of cover and obstacles if possible..
 
Mr. Mosin said:
Colt Lord is/was a .22S single shot derringer. In regards to "scenario"... pick the most likely and roll with it. You get all frantic trying to prepare for every scenario, you'll give yourself a stroke worrying over it. Do what you can for your most likely scenario, and carry on.
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You have no idea what you might get. Whatever it is, it is what it is, and youll have to deal with it.

So, do you put in the work and prepare for the worst, as realistically as possible? Or do you take the easy way out, and just put the gun in your pocket or holster, convince yourself youve got it covered, and call it all good?

Id be willing to bet, the vast majority of those who carry a gun these days, are not even close to being prepared, and the choice of gun is only one small part of that.

The whole point of scenarios is to learn from them. Some you work on at the range, just to prove things and continue to work on your skills, others you may work on in your head as you go through the day, as you see things going on and say," what if?".

If your plan is just to have a gun, your plan is lacking and needs some work. :thumbup:
 
Kleanbore said:
I remember it. It was the least effective defensive weapon one could choose.

There is no single "most likely" scenario.

I do not know what you are envisioning when you say that.

One can develop the skills that would be most effective in a range of likely scenarios. Fast draw while moving off line, firing several shots very rapidly into the area of a small pie plate at distances out to five yards, taking advantage of cover and obstacles if possible..
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Those are what I'd call "tactics and strategies", applicable with any given weapon. But enough of this. I know I'm not going to persuade you, or anyone else; away from the "I'm unarmed unless I have a Glock 19 and four spare mags" mindset. In suburbia Chicago ? That's valid. Out here in Boondocks, God's Country; MS ? You'd be better off with a DA or SA .44 Spl/Mag or a .45 Colt.
 
Kleanbore said:
Gotcha.

How do you keep the hammer from snagging?
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I've never had a problem. I was worried about that but several dozen tries in every possible position hasn't had a problem.

The jacket I wear has a pretty slick quilted interior and I haven't been able to get it to snag even when trying too.

Might be the gun or the jacket
 
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