Are there drawbacks to being in the NRA?

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Maybe this is an odd question, but I've been passionate about firearms rights for most of my life. It wasn't until watching a lot of hickok45 over the last few years that I really started considering joining the NRA.

However, I've noticed a lot of people seem resistant to join. After doing some cursory research, it looks like he's severed ties with the NRA :



He didn't even really give a reason. It's weird. Does anybody even know what it was? Does anyone know any downsides to it?
 
A lot of people in the gun world are seriously concerned over inside shenanigans ( ie., corruption) inside the NRA, especially with Wayne LaPierre and a few others who, having been "top dog," apparently have become corrupt, complacent, and has turned his position into a personal money pot for various ..... "economic advantages" :scrutiny::what: of a fiefdom.
New York City's attorney General has filed a ginormous lawsuit against the N.R.A., drawing off funds that must now be spent on legal matters. Although this has a BIG political element (New York City is liberal & very antigun) unfortunatly there is a lot of stuff NYC has in its lawsuit that is likely very real and very dangerous to the N. R. A. --- thanks to aforesaid "shenanigans."

That's probably what's going on..... or part of it.
 
..inside shenanigans ( ie., corruption) inside the NRA, especially with Wayne LaPierre

Yeah... after looking this information up it seems like a real disgusting mess.


Wayne LaPierre – Executive Vice-President

In his nearly three decades as executive vice-president, Wayne LaPierre ran the day-to-day operations of the NRA and exploited the organization for his and his family’s financial benefit, and the benefit of a close circle of NRA staff, board members, and vendors. Of note, LaPierre:

  • Spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of the NRA’s charitable assets for private plane trips for himself and his family, including extended family when he was not present.
  • Visited the Bahamas by private air charter at least eight times in an approximate three-year period with his family, at a cost of more than $500,000 to the NRA. On many of those trips, LaPierre and his family were gifted the use of a 107-foot yacht owned by an NRA vendor.
  • Traveled to Africa with his wife for all-expense paid safaris, gifted by an NRA vendor.
  • Spent millions on unwarranted travel consultants for decades, including for the booking of luxury black car services — spending more than $3.6 million in the last two years alone.
  • Secured a post-employment contract for himself with the NRA, without board approval, currently valued at more than $17 million.
  • Allotted several millions of dollars annually in NRA funds for private security costs for himself and his family without sufficient oversight on their use.
  • Received more than $1.2 million in expense reimbursements in just a four-year period for expenditures that included gifts for favored friends and vendors; travel expenses for himself and his family; and membership fees at golf clubs, hotels, and other member clubs.
  • Secured lucrative consulting contracts for ex-employees and board members worth millions.

So basically the VP and a bunch of other C suite executives were taking the money Americans use to defend their second amendment rights and blew it on personal crap. Now they have to spend dues fighting a lawsuit that might result in it being disbanded.

This really sucks. This was not the news I was hoping to hear about today. :(
 
There’s a good chance that this thread may head a wrong direction and get locked, so I am only going to state personal facts.

I’ve been a member of the NRA for 51 years. I paid full price for a Life membership 25 years ago. I have given money to help the fight as well.

Due to reasons within Tommygunn’s post, I will no longer support them until there is a drastic change in leadership.
 
Wayne LaPierre – Executive Vice-President

In his nearly three decades as executive vice-president, Wayne LaPierre ran the day-to-day operations of the NRA and exploited the organization for his and his family’s financial benefit, and the benefit of a close circle of NRA staff, board members, and vendors. Of note, LaPierre:

  • Spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of the NRA’s charitable assets for private plane trips for himself and his family, including extended family when he was not present.
  • Visited the Bahamas by private air charter at least eight times in an approximate three-year period with his family, at a cost of more than $500,000 to the NRA. On many of those trips, LaPierre and his family were gifted the use of a 107-foot yacht owned by an NRA vendor.
  • Traveled to Africa with his wife for all-expense paid safaris, gifted by an NRA vendor.
  • Spent millions on unwarranted travel consultants for decades, including for the booking of luxury black car services — spending more than $3.6 million in the last two years alone.
  • Secured a post-employment contract for himself with the NRA, without board approval, currently valued at more than $17 million.
  • Allotted several millions of dollars annually in NRA funds for private security costs for himself and his family without sufficient oversight on their use.
  • Received more than $1.2 million in expense reimbursements in just a four-year period for expenditures that included gifts for favored friends and vendors; travel expenses for himself and his family; and membership fees at golf clubs, hotels, and other member clubs.
  • Secured lucrative consulting contracts for ex-employees and board members worth millions.

And that synopsis didn't even mention the more than $20,000 worth of suits WLP bought out of the NRA coffers... The NYC lawsuit appears to be mostly politically-oriented, but, as noted, will shine a spotlight squarely on the financial malfeasance demonstrated by WLP and cronies.

Too bad Oliver North's coup attempt wasn't successful. But, the NRA has lost a lot of long-term board members (including too many other celebrity members who helped the RKBA movement immensely over the past few decades.)
 
I contacted them once, a few years ago asking about basic information. It has slowed down some but I immediately started getting flooded with donation requests. I do mean flooded. Literally 20 pounds a week. every week since. the basic membership fee wouldn't begin to cover the printing costs of what has been sent to me. not even close. NRA started out as a good, well intentioned organization. It still is doing a mostly good job up on the hill. They just need to trim the waste out of the operation. And stop it with the multi million dollar golden parachutes. Any, I mean ANY paid position needs to be trimmed back to 50K a year. Maybe they would have the $$$ to do some real good.

GOA gets my support now. This site soon.
 
Stories like this have been told about nearly all organizations, charity and civil rights types through the years. United Way, Red Cross, NAACP and too many others to list have been investigated by "journalists" throwing the light of day on murky operations. I don't remember any meaningful investigations by state or federal agencies into the "criminal" behavior of the leadership. New York is only doing this because they see it as a way to beat down the 900 lb gorilla in the courtrooms that fight anti-gun legislation. Their only goal here is to kill the NRA. I'm not justifying the actions of the NRA leadership but their transgressions aren't anything new. Change needs to come from the membership of the NRA.
 
How do good, well intentioned people go bad?

Happens to people fighting for us. NRA
Happens to people fighting against us. IRS
Happens to people fighting to keep us alive. WHO
Happens to people fighting to keep us secure. FBI

Maybe we don’t need people fighting for us anymore using our money.

Maybe it’s our time because its our money.
 
I am a member. I do not send any contributions other than my dues.
When the very polite ladies call and ask for more, I explain that I view the leadership no different than the politicians they oppose. Corrupt.

I do support my local State organizations when ever I can.

Wayne, a 2 million estate in TX because you feel threatened? Really?
 
Meanwhile, if you do join your mailbox will be filled with letters begging for donations. It seems that most organizations that begin with good intentions end up working mostly to sustain themselves. I quit joining years ago.

That is why, when the option to become a "Life" member became available many years ago, I took the leap to get away from the "annual" status. Other than the multitude of "donation requests" I do get in the mail, I no longer have to pay for the magazine I like (American Hunter).

ETA: Many years ago, I was also a Life member of the North American Hunting Club. They were "absorbed" by some other group several years ago and the magazines stopped. I still miss that magazine.
As for other groups, while not as strong as the NRA, there is the Second Amendment Foundation (saf.org), and the Gun Owners of America. You WILL be inundated with email funding requests from GoA. I don't know about SAF.
 
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I have been a member since 1964. Life member in 1967 and now a benefactor member. I was in Indianapolis when the stuff hit the fan and had no idea what was going on. Since then I have read numerous writings, from both sides, about the whole situation and I still am not sure what it is all about. I figure there may be some truths on both sides and probably many more lies also. What I am certain of is that those in the federal government who would like to see the second amendment crippled or eliminated fear no other organization like they do the NRA. In my opinion the NY suit is political and she is hoping to make a name for herself and is probably financially backed by some enemies of the second amendment like many other attorneys general across our country. On a national level The NRA appears to be our best defense.

Bob
WB8NQW
 
For my part. The downsides noted were all personally experienced.
I have had 2.... TWO, fully paid "Life Time Memberships" and am currently not a member for them *forgettting* my status.... or what ever their excuse was.
I gifted a fully paid lifetime membership to a kid and they seem to have forgotten about him as well.
I LOATHED the torrent of correspondence continually beseeching me to donate money week after week.
I recall their STATED position to not fight the California Assault Weapons Ban or Hi Cap Ban because they needed to save those resources for "other battles".
A "Board of Drectors" numbering in the many dozens?..... Really?!?

I know the NRA has done good and was an OUTSTANDING organization when I was young but this bloated, inefficient and sorrily motivated mess needs to be whittled down and trimmed up considerably for me to ever look at it again.

My greatest operational problem with them in a nutshell is that as with any bureaucratic swamp - it needs draining for having become a process oriented (self-serving) rather than a result-oriented operation.


Todd.
 
I was an annual NRA member for a decade or so, but I decided not to renew about 5 years ago because they just couldn't stop harassing me. Phone calls, emails, and a never ending mail campaign. Donate extra to them, they just come back stronger looking for more. Two years after calling to ask to be taken of the mailing list I was still getting hassled. And even now I still get the occasional piece of mail.

So, that's the downside. They can't just take the money and leave well enough alone for the rest of the year. All I do for them directly now is the midway NRA round-up.
 
The problem being they are a large gun rights organization. With numbers there is strength. There is also lots of funds which can and are possibly misused. Even if they aren’t. There is the appearance at a minimum.
 
When one is a member of the NRA, one gets vilified by the leftist controlled 'media'.
When one is a member of the NRA, one is constantly reminded of any indiscretion, real or imagined on the part of the NRA or its leadership.

There are problems with the NRA, no doubt. No nearly as much as with either of the major political parties, just more visible.
 
When one is a member of the NRA, one gets vilified by the leftist controlled 'media'.
I don't lose sleep over the opinions of morons and grifters.

Right after Columbine, a slacker behind the counter at Starbucks, referring to my NRA ballcap, said "It must take guts to wear that hat these days."

I replied, "Why, who's going to make me take it off?"

End of "conversation".
 
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