Range forces members to join the NRA

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I'd also like to point out that the NRA itself is not really what I would call political but instead functions as a gun safety and training group. The political side seems to fall more under the NRA's political victory fund, and their Institute for legislative action.

I do get a little tired of "the only way to preserve the rkba is to join tha nra" and "simply by joining the nra i've become a champion in the fight for our rights" mentality. There is a lot more than just joining the NRA. I hope the NRA members aren't too quick to assume that simply sending in some money every year means they are the gold standard in working to preserve the rkba and also respect the very significatn contributions to the cause non-nra members make as well.
 
I believe I started all this mess by asking the question, "how so?" in the first page...So how about I apply for a membership in the next day or two, that way this thread wasn't complete waste of time and then we can just lay this thread to rest, or take it out to pasture:)
 
My 2 cents..

If you don't want to join the range becasue they make you join the NRA/GOA/NBA/AARP/etc, then don't join the range. Problem solved, and you won't need 7 pages of bickering about the NRA;)
 
My 2 cents..

If you don't want to join the range becasue they make you join the NRA/GOA/NBA/AARP/etc, then don't join the range. Problem solved, and you won't need 7 pages of bickering about the NRA
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It would still be 7 pages, as 'your 2 cents' have been said about 50 times, but it didn't stop you from posting it again did it?:)
 
That requirement would make me want to join that gun club. Sounds like a good club. There are other ways to work for RKBA but NRA should surely be one of them.
See my sig line.
 
To answer the original question, the NRA has lined up a liability policy for clubs which includes a discounted rate (similar to what it does with auto rental cars, etc) for clubs. To take part a club needs more than 50% of it's members to be NRA members. This policy is not always the best coverage or price, so I suggest clubs do some shopping for companies that write in their state.
 
Bazooka Joe71 stated ; "I believe I started all this mess by asking the question, "how so?" in the first page...So how about I apply for a membership in the next day or two, that way this thread wasn't complete waste of time and then we can just lay this thread to rest, or take it out to pasture."

No Joe I believe I started this mess when I responded to your question of "how so". Oh well leave it up to two guys from Indiana to screw up a thread.:D
 
Same thing at my club. I would say they "require" members to join the NRA, not "force" them. We get our insurance through the NRA, so it's the 50% rule. Because membership numbers are always changing, the feeling is that it's easier to just have all members join the NRA.

Not everybody is happy about it, for some of the reasons discussed in this thread. Every year we get proposals to amend the rule to allow the requirement to be met by joining another organization, like GOA or state and local groups, but the proposals always get voted down by the membership. Democracy in action...

Just for the record, I'm not 100% happy with the NRA, but they are the strongest advocate for gun rights out there right now. And they gave our club a grant to improve our rifle range.
 
Wow , long thread and lots of hostility .

My .02 is this . Our club requires NRA membership because of the insurance we get through them . Dues are a whopping $35 a year and a liberty NRA membership is $10 . So for $45 a year , a member has unlimited access to a multitude of ranges (pistol,rifle,skeet, etc) .

If it wasn't for the break we get on insurance , we would have folded long ago .
 
I will join the NRA (I'll even become a lifetimer) if Heller goes good I want the NRA to begin the process to get machine guns back, I know there will be hundreds of others but I want them at the forefront, they do that, they will have redeemed themselves from 922o, In my eyes.
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The nra has been against machine guns and fought to get the limits and bans on them now. link or just do a google search and turn up dozens of quotes by virtually every nra president and board of director.

As to heller, the nra also fought to keep that out of the USSC. After all if the Second Amendment is found to be an individual Right by the supremes, the nra stands to lose a lot of money in the future trying to fight gun control it has helped pass or is promoting. It's all about money to the nra. They are nothing more than a giant self serving money pit.

I feel horrible about my previous donations and years of membership to the nra. At this poitn I'd sooner give money to the brady bunch. Atleast they are up front about their adgenda! :cuss:
 
Prometheus:
Please refer to Bartholomew Roberts' Posts #111 & 132.

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For the record, the NRA helped fund the first ever challenge to 922(o) (Farmer v. Higgins, 907 F.2d 1041 (11th Cir. 1990)) and paid Stephen Halbrook to work the case.

Note that this case started in October 1986, so the NRA went to work immediately on rescinding 922(o). The NRA not only lost this case, it helped set some unfavorable precedent in the 11th Circuit.

It was results like this that have made the NRA extremely cautious and gun shy when it comes to lawsuits over the Second Amendment; not that you ever see their critics acknowledge some of these early cases.

So in this case, the NRA challenged 922(o) over 22 years ago.

I'd also add that few people start out as machinegun shooters right off the bat. Most people come to shooting through programs that wouldn't exist except for the NRA. Without NRA range programs and insurance, there wouldn't be a lot of places to shoot. If the NRA did nothing more than its competitive shooting role, it would still be serving an extremely critical function of keeping shooters from becoming extinct as a segment of the voting population. This is one of the main reasons the antis hate the NRA above all other organizations - they know if they can just put a chokehold on new shooters, they will eventually have the votes to legislate anything they want.
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If a person were to read all of a thread's posts prior to his own, it may help prevent so many silly half-truth re-statements. :banghead:

IMHO, but it seems to me, by perpetuating this stuff and pitting GOA against NRA, SAF, JFPO, NSSF, etc., we and our favorite organizations become useful idiots for the Brady-ites and others that wish to dispose of the Second Amendment.

JMTC

Poper
 
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Just think of NRA dues as part of your club dues structure for which you get many benifits:

-NRA trains Counselors and intsructors who in turn train anyone who wants to learn how to use a shotgun,pistol, or rifle, along with other cleasses such as home defense and handloading.
-NRA gives money to NRA affiliated clubs for range development.
-NRA provides club with insurance that might be nearly impossible to purchase otherwise.


Without the NRA's involvement, a lot of clubs/ranges wouldn't exist.
 
My range requires you to be a member of a "gun rights organization." NRA, GOA, JPFO, Grassroots SC are all acceptable. I didn't choose NRA for various reasons.
 
NRA has greatly soured its image to me, especially with their "looking out for GA concealed carry" by sponsoring a rival bill that was significantly more restrictive then another one that was already being mulled over in the house and was fairly likely to be passed. And when it looked like their restrictive anti-carry bill was going to be left by the way-side, they raised such a stink that would get many a prissy teenage girls to turn away in embarrassment. If they were really looking out for my rights to own firearms, why didn't they just throw their support behind the bill that would let us carry in more places, and kill off the lame "public gathering" clause that gives police carte-blanche authority to arrest anyone caught carrying a firearm (with a permit!) for any reason or no reason what so ever? Hmm? Sorry, NRA has permanently lost my support on those grounds.
 
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You don't like GA House Bill 89 that was signed this year?

Among other improvements...

allowing licensed carry permit holders to possess a firearm in any private motor vehicle, while on any publicly accessible parking lot;

prohibiting gun dealer entrapment schemes, such as those orchestrated by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg;

allowing concealed carry permit holders to carry in State Parks, recreational areas, wildlife management areas, and public transportation;

creating a stricter time limit for various stages of the concealed carry license application process; and

allowing concealed carry permit holders to carry in restaurants.
 
"After all if the Second Amendment is found to be an individual Right by the supremes, the nra stands to lose a lot of money in the future trying to fight gun control it has helped pass or is promoting."

I doubt it. A favorable ruling by the Supreme Court will have very limited immediate effect. It will require additional lawsuits (think about the fight that's still going on over integration and abortion, for instance) and meanwhile the antis will be introducing new legislation to restrict firearms and shooting by some other means.

IOW, don't get your hopes up even if it goes our way.

John
 
And lastly, since I see my 1:30 client in the parking lot...I'd like to comment on the link to the Patriot Pages.

"The NRA has 'covertly' worked in the past to take away 2nd Amendment Rights. That's a cold hard fact.

The NRA helped craft the 1934 NFA act, the 1968 Gun Control Act just to name a few. These laws help restrict the 2nd Amendment."

Covertly? LIES. There wasn't anything secretive about it. They were defending our rights. The laws were going to be passed one way or the other.

Why did the NRA get involved with the drafting of these bills? That's easy. Because who in their right mind would trust the gunbanners to draft bills without some kind of supervision or input or feedback. I suppose the NRA could have stayed and ignored the situation, but no, they didn't because it would have resulted in a more restrictive bill.

"That's a cold hard fact."

Nah, that's a cold hard twisting of the truth. IOW, it's a LIE.

I'd say that linked site is full of it.

John
 
Sorry, NRA has permanently lost my support on those grounds.
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Such a statement reminds me of a 7 year-old's "I'm gonna take my ball and go home!"
Just how is this helpful?
Want to effect a change in the most influential protector of the Second Amendment's methodology? Join. Get ACTIVE. Get INVOLVED. Develop friendships and line of communication. LEARN persuasive communications skills. EARN the respect of your peers. APPLY your God given talents and passions to effect the changes and visions YOU seek! BE a part of the solution you seek!
Is it easy? Nope.
Is it fast? Nope.
Will it cut into your range time? Probably.
Will it cost you money? Probably.
Is it rewarding? Yes!
Is it something you can take pride in? Yes!
Will it help others? Yes!
Is it worthwhile Yes!

Will you feel better about yourself? I think so. You'll earn self respect, for sure, and the respect of others and your posterity, too. But just drop out because you don't agree 100%?

That is just plain, immature, Bovine Scat. - IMHO.

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Poper
 
Nine pages - wow!

I've been an NRA member for a number of years. Membership was (and is) a requirement of the club I shot at. That club is 17 miles away. It takes me a gallon of gasoline to go there and return. Today that's $4.17 but who knows what it'll be tomorrow. I haven't shot there in over a month partially because I can't afford the gas and partially because I've secretly hated the idea of having to belong to the NRA to shoot there. All you faithful disciples can (and have) recite all the good things the NRA has done until hell freezes over and I'll still remember being told I needed to be "educated" to properly appreciate the value of "The NICS Improvement Act" that was being pushed through congress with the help of the NRA.

Folks, I spent a lot of time and money to acquire an education. I think I've gone far enough down that road. Far enough that I finally realize I gave my money to the NRA to represent me, not educate me! With their backing of that particular piece of legislation the have strayed too far from the ranks of 'representatives' for me to bother trying to round them up again.

Like the GOP, the NRA needs to have some real bad times to show them the error in their ways. The GOP will probably get Obama and the NRA...? Well, they're not going to get any more of my money.
 
Folks, I spent a lot of time and money to acquire an education. I think I've gone far enough down that road. Far enough that I finally realize I gave my money to the NRA to represent me, not educate me! With their backing of that particular piece of legislation the have strayed too far from the ranks of 'representatives' for me to bother trying to round them up again.
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So you'd rather have someone respond to illogical, false arguments than try to show you that your arguments are false?

I'd like my representatives to act in my best interest and if that means dissuading me from a faulty position, so be it.

I will not rehash the "NICS" debate again. If people still insist on believing what they wish despite all evidence to the contrary, argument is pointless.
 
I feel horrible about my previous donations and years of membership to the nra. At this poitn I'd sooner give money to the brady bunch. Atleast they are up front about their adgenda!
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Based upon many of your statements, wouldn't surprise me a bit if you already were.

As fars the NICS legislation, where I get irritated is when the GOA called it the "Veterans Disarmament Act" and so many of the numbnuts who blindly parrot that have A) Zero idea what the bill was truly all about, B) Are NOT A VETERAN--so do not ride MY coattails to promote YOUR BS agenda, and C) were clueless as to what the alternative language that ORIGINALLY went into the bill contained and how damaging it would have been for CCL.

No, old fart, I don't need much more educating school-wise, at least. A BA, BS, MA and MBA is about all I need these days and now that I'm retiring soon, I don't even need those.

I just need a (RC)BS degree, I reckon. :)

But I've also learned that when it comes to my rights and how this government operates, you can't be too well educated.

Jeff
 
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