The changing face of new firearms owners

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The caricature of gun owners as either angry old white guys or criminals holding flashy pistols sideways that the Antis have beaten the public over the head with for decades is even less valid now with nearly 8 million new gun owners have joined the shooting community.

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/02/de...mail&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-1432f1419a-7170233

The eye-popping number of 2020 was 8.4 million. That’s how many new first-time gun buyers made a literal investment of their hard-earned dollars in their Second Amendment rights. Of more than 21 million background checks run for the sale of a firearm in 2020, retailer data suggests nearly 40 percent were buying a gun for the first time. With numbers like those, it’s no surprise the face of the American gun owner is changing fast. Women accounted for 40 percent of 2020’s overall firearm purchases.

While many in the media and antigun interest groups often drawing up a caricature of gun owners as “old white men,” the largest increase of any demographic group from 2019 to 2020 was among African Americans. Gun purchases by Black men and women increased 58 percent from 2019 to 2020.
 
I would honestly like to know what the driving force was for these new owners to purchase their firearms. “Defund the Police” movement? Riots where officers did next to nothing because of the mayors orders. Precincts and even city blocks abandoned? Antifa, with bullhorns walking down streets threatening to burn down people’s houses at 02:30? Or maybe other factors.

I’m not at all surprised the largest increase was African Americans. A large portion of the areas burned were in those communities. And they certainly weren’t getting any help from the mayors to protect their property or lives.

Thank you MSM. You’ve proven once again that one thing you are great at is propagating new gun owners.
 
I would honestly like to know what the driving force was for these new owners to purchase their firearms. “Defund the Police” movement? Riots where officers did next to nothing because of the mayors orders. Precincts and even city blocks abandoned? Antifa, with bullhorns walking down streets threatening to burn down people’s houses at 02:30? Or maybe other factors.

I’m not at all surprised the largest increase was African Americans. A large portion of the areas burned were in those communities. And they certainly weren’t getting any help from the mayors to protect their property or lives.

Thank you MSM. You’ve proven once again that one thing you are great at is propagating new gun owners.

All of the above, plus Covid. There's a lot of people who believed those things would never happen here, and when they did it was a wake up call that they'd better be able to protect themselves as the government was refusing to do so in many areas. We've unfortunately gotten to used to hearing about violence in the inner cities, at least here in Chicago. When rioting hit middle and upper class suburbs as well as small towns that had always been safe it was a shock to people. I would have been surprised if gun ownership hadn't skyrocketed.
 
On the face of it, this is good news for the 2A- however the Dems have shown time and time and time and time again that they will to pander to communities of color during an election year only to abandon those same communities once in office.

I dont forsee this as much of a roadblock to the current administrations plans for gun control, maybe not even a speed bump- especially if they sugar coat their plans with enough focus-group pleasing buzzwords like "assualt rifle," "streetsweeper," or "military style."

After all, soccer Mom may have bought herself a .380EZ, but we are only going after angry white men and their evil black rifles........and nobody needs those, right? Remember, its all for the CHILDREN!!!!!!
 
I would honestly like to know what the driving force was for these new owners to purchase their firearms. “Defund the Police” movement? Riots where officers did next to nothing because of the mayors orders. Precincts and even city blocks abandoned? Antifa, with bullhorns walking down streets threatening to burn down people’s houses at 02:30? Or maybe other factors.

I’m not at all surprised the largest increase was African Americans. A large portion of the areas burned were in those communities. And they certainly weren’t getting any help from the mayors to protect their property or lives.

Thank you MSM. You’ve proven once again that one thing you are great at is propagating new gun owners.

I would say all those factors, plus during the presidential campaign, you had candidates blathering in about wanting to “take your AR-15!” As well. It all adds up.
 
On the face of it, this is good news for the 2A- however the Dems have shown time and time and time and time again that they will to pander to communities of color during an election year only to abandon those same communities once in office.

I dont forsee this as much of a roadblock to the current administrations plans for gun control, maybe not even a speed bump- especially if they sugar coat their plans with enough focus-group pleasing buzzwords like "assualt rifle," "streetsweeper," or "military style."

After all, soccer Mom may have bought herself a .380EZ, but we are only going after angry white men and their evil black rifles........and nobody needs those, right? Remember, its all for the CHILDREN!!!!!!

Exactly!
 
I would honestly like to know what the driving force was for these new owners to purchase their firearms.

I am not exactly a "new owner" but had not bought anything -- guns or ammunition -- for more than 20 years until a few months ago and since then I've spent around 8K on weapons and ammunition (and am not done). I served in the military after high school, received substantial weapons training on active duty, then lived in Montana for a few years afterward where I was seriously into the gun culture. As my career advanced, I followed opportunity and moved to larger and larger urban areas and then overseas which resulted in both a loss of opportunity to shoot plus just a loss of interest because of increasing career and family demands. Now deep into my middle years, fat and happy and complacent and living in an upscale part of California with big houses and fancy cars in the driveway, I was absolutely stunned when there was rioting and looting not far from my home. I saw how the police were being restrained by the politicians and how the criminals were becoming increasingly emboldened. I also became aware of Supreme Court precedent where it was determined that the police have no duty to protect any individual citizen and suddenly realized that I was woefully unprepared to protect my family and property and that I had been living in a state of stupid and dangerous complacency. Hence, my inner weapons sergeant was reborn and I've been on a gun and ammunition buying frenzy the last few months -- the cost is immaterial to me at the moment and I realize it's people like me who are driving up prices but I quite literally have no better use for my money right now.
 
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You could have only called me old “enough” when I started buying them for myself, before that I had to give adults the money to buy them for me.

It’s a good thing for all of us, the spurring of new and /or younger first time buyers. In many places kids are taught that guns are evil and criminals shouldn’t be locked up. The rise in first time buyers makes me think that not all is lost, there still are people that can think for themselves despite being fed BS day in and day out.
 
The anti-gunner caricature of gun owners has always been invalid.

And while there are anti-gunners who are similar to the fervent alcohol prohibitionists who turned to a crusade to ban hand guns in 1924 with the same self righteous zeal as they had to ban alcohol in 1919, there might be a few who are not. Maybe worse.

(Dang where'd I put my [irony] [/irony] tags?)
 
The caricature of gun owners as either angry old white guys or criminals holding flashy pistols sideways that the Antis have beaten the public over the head with for decades is even less valid now with nearly 8 million new gun owners have joined the shooting community.

Unfortunately, much of that image was propagated by angry white gun owners themselves. One only has to read these types of forums to realize that. Some of it has come about because legally possessed firearms were much more prevalent in white households as Baby Boomers(now old white folks) were growing up than in other households. Hunting during that same time period was the norm in those same households, not only as sport, but as a legitimate way to inexpensively provide food for the table. One reason so many of those "old angry white guys" are the primary source of "Fudds". Wasn't really a negative image(still isn't) to those folks.

Those of us that fit into that category are the only ones who can change that image. We have to quit being angry. That does not mean we have to quit being passionate about our firearms or aggressive in support of the 2nd Amendment. Just means we have to be more accepting of those who do not perfectly fit in our mold. 50 years ago I saw little or no support for females in the gun community. Very few female hunters. Was a long time till I saw females at the trap range or in archery leagues. Now they are the fastest growing segment of the hunting and firearm community. We need to embrace them. Same with minorities. Same with those who did not have a male role figure in their household to introduce them to fire arms. The increase of shooting mom's has helped, but for the longest time, those youths without a man in the house did not get introduced to firearms at a young age, like those of us with a dad in the house.

Yep, times have changed for firearm ownership, and for the better in most cases. But those of us that can identify with that caricature, need to embrace, support and educate those new to the sport, whoever they may be, as long as they are legal and responsible gun owners.
 
It is a good thing! The more the better!
I teach class room and range for a local training group and we are booked solid. I'm amazed at the mix of newbies! 20 something young married, to widowed old ladies. ( they pay attention and learn the best)
The one segment I find disturbing is the Middle aged male, who see no need for training!
Ya'all know him and can recognise him. He scares me, no military training, or gun handling experience . Those are ones that need it the most!
 
While we do not usually discuss race issues as they go up in flames, I'll try to be circumspect. A good up to date read on the topic is:
Policing the Second Amendment: Guns, Law Enforcement, and the Politics of Race
Jennifer Carlson

I know her and she is quite knowledgeable about the gun world and trained. Not naive. There is also quite a bit of literature on the race issue.

So my takeaways from reading the scholarly history on the issue and modern research:

1. There is a long history of African-Americans defending themselves against racists, racist authorities in the past and during the Civil Rights era. This is clearest defense against tyranny argument we have. This view is coming to the fore again.

2. The current upsurge in minority firearms purchasing is driven by:
a. A fear of societal disruption and crime. However, it is not a reaction to antifa but just the disruption.
b. A resurgence of racist violence promoted by some politicians on the right (Flame on, no way to avoid saying this).
c. A fear of police acting against them as seen in some of the police shootings. Now, some of the shootings are subject to debate depending on your perspective and world view = but minorities see many indicating a police threat. The Philando Castile case is telling (see Carlson's book). The lack of strong response from the NRA was telling on that, to them. The standard gun rights organizations are not seen as allies.

A discussion like this might have to move elsewhere.
 
The one segment I find disturbing is the Middle aged male, who see no need for training!

Same is true in the Hunter Safety class I help teach. It's the dad's and grandpa's of the kids that scoff at how to properly cross a fence or how to hand a weapon, loaded or not, to another. Many of those folks are grandfathered in our state from the requirement of having Hunter Safety Training, but when they decide to go our of state, now they need it. They generally don't pay attention because they know it all already...."sheesh, they've been hunting for 40 years!" Yet they generally score the lowest on the final exam. Seems the majority of hunting accidents occurring around here lately are committed by middle aged and older, experienced hunters. Climbing into their stand with a loaded gun, or lowering their gun from an elevated stand without unloading it first or at least opening the action.
 
It’s a terrible thing race has to be discussed at all. Liberty and justice for ALL. Both sides should just be fair but politics and power bring out the worst in humanity. Winning is all and truth doesn’t matter.

And that’s another reason for the 8 million new gun owners. They have a sense of the BS propaganda and lies being spewed by the politicians and media. They are starting to see how they are on their own.
 
Yeah, well, we're going to need all the help we can get. An excerpt of an article I read just this morning:

With control of the House, Senate, and White House as a backdrop, Biden administration officials in their meeting with gun control advocates conveyed confidence about enacting gun control legislation through legislative and executive actions that in the past had not gotten the votes.......................The main part of Biden’s gun control agenda includes banning the manufacture and sale of “assault weapons” and high-capacity magazines, regulating possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act, buying back these weapons and high-capacity magazines from citizens, requiring background checks for all gun sales, ending the online sale of firearms and ammunition, and providing more funds to enforce these laws.
 
@GEM
Great read that makes a salient point.
Avoiding race and politics, let me say,
I see it in the class make up and it is encouraging to see.
The articulation of fears are the same that she mentions.
 
While we do not usually discuss race issues as they go up in flames, I'll try to be circumspect.

I did not intend for my post to be racist, but I was trying to make a point about race and firearm ownership and how it has changed over the years. Much of this comes from my experience with gun ownership and hunting, something that was a major factor with gun ownership in the past. I am not criticizing or trying to stereo-type, just explaining my observations.

Growing up as a kid in a rural area of Wisconsin, hunting was the norm. Everyone I knew did it. Come deer season, the area that was pretty much quiet and desolate, became a mass of people. All of those people had guns. The area I grew up in had a good local population of Native Americans. Grew up next door to them, went to school with them and hunted with them. Hunting was a tradition for them that went deeper than the longtime tradition in my family. Hunting with them taught me a respect for game and habitat that was never instilled on me from my family or my white friends. Still, even on heavily hunted public land during the peak of season, they were the only minority I ever saw. Even tho the large tracts of public land I hunted were heavily used by folks from the larger metropolitan areas of the state like, Madison, Milwaukee and Kenosha, never saw an African-American or Asian-American. Even decades later, when an African American deer hunter was now not unusual, seeing anyone with Asian descent was almost unknown. This all changed when the Hmong "boat people" came to the area. Suddenly public land was inundated with Hmong. Even now, it's common to see them during any hunting season on any piece of public land.

My point is, most of this is based on tradition. The Hmong brought with them a deep tradition of hunting and living off the land, something most earlier immigrants from that side of the world did not have. Here in Wisconsin, the majority of African-Americans lived in cities and did not have a instilled hunting tradition. Again, native-Americans had a very deep hunting tradition instilled in them. This was evident for many years in the amount of gun ownership by different ethnic backgrounds, at least around here. Now many will cry that the 2nd has nuttin' to do with hunting and hunting has nuttin' to do with gun ownership. But that is now. That is the change. Back when the 2nd was written, what was the primary reason the majority of folks in the new nation had guns for? In the last half a century, the motivation for new types/models of firearms has changed along with the faces of gun owners. Used to be, major changes in gun design was based on two things, either for hunting or for military usage. Wasn't until the last half a century that the majority of new gun models and designs are focused on the civilian market and focused on SD/HD and shooting sports outside of hunting. Used to be, everyone that shot trap shot it with their hunting shotguns. Nowadays, that gets you laughed off the range. Hi-capacity is a fairly recent development in the civilian market as is micro-sized carry guns.

The change I see is good and good for our sport. Being involved in one type of shooting sport leads to participation in others. The idea of woman as hunters and as defenders of the family is a good one. The idea that responsible gun ownership is not defined by race, color or sexual gender is a positive change.
 
I think a lot of people bought more sporting goods in general. As I go looking through the Local gun stores in my area I see shortage in handguns, handgun ammo, hunting guns,and hunting ammo. The fishing department of Scheels and Fleet Farm have been short pf lures, sonar, Ice augers and just about everything else fishing related.
This has been true since spring of 2020 right through winter. The one think I have noticed is that the less expensive merchandise sells out faster, but if you wanted a $2800
Garmin Pan optics they were sold out too. I suspect the handgun and handgun shortage was caused by the De-fund the police and the riots. I also believe that hunting and fishing took an upturn because it was an activity that was not banned by most state governments. I am sure that there are more bicycles on the trails and roads than before covid too.
 
On the face of it, this is good news for the 2A- however the Dems have shown time and time and time and time again that they will to pander to communities of color during an election year only to abandon those same communities once in office.

I dont forsee this as much of a roadblock to the current administrations plans for gun control, maybe not even a speed bump- especially if they sugar coat their plans with enough focus-group pleasing buzzwords like "assualt rifle," "streetsweeper," or "military style."

After all, soccer Mom may have bought herself a .380EZ, but we are only going after angry white men and their evil black rifles........and nobody needs those, right? Remember, its all for the CHILDREN!!!!!!
Yep. Pretty much. "See, I'm a gun owner and even I'm calling for common sense blah blah blah".

But 8 million new gun owners, I wonder how many of them were handguns vs rifles.
 
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