PSA: double check your cartridges, things happen (no kaboom).

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Hey all,

Just checking in to remind hand loaders and new reloaders alike , don't get complacent as you gain confidence . things happen, even if we're careful.

Here's mine -

I'm a careful loader and generally trickle and throw every charge, load on a single stage , decap in an independent process before tumbling, clean primer pockets, size, prime on a benchprime tool (individually obviously) , I flare and charge in one step, seat, crimp. A lot of handling a single cartridge . I have some equipment to be able to combine steps and can make volume if I wanted to but I generally just load magnum handgun cartridges and 45-70 cartridges . some of those loads are at the ragged edge and must be handled this way and that's why I do it methodically and carefully. Works for me.

All that handling didn't save me from this one,
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That's a once fired winchester factory loaded case, this is it's first "reload ". 255 grain .452" mbc Keith style , hi-tek coated bullet sitting on top of 15 grains of unique with a rem 7 1/2 primer- good for about 1275 fps from a 5" ruger. It's a nice moderate load that does a good job and is pleasant .

What's wrong with it?

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In all my handling of this case I didn't notice the split case. Only on my final wipe down and boxing did I notice because the paper towel caught the edge. Split cases have been the norm for me in 454 casull, I'll have a few every couple hundred I load, under max/significantly below max, in two separate guns, under any and all situations and I can guess which ones will split when I size them- several are too hard and will give significant resistance to sizing - I'll put a mark on the case and after firing I'll find if any have split and every time it's a marked case. Something I'm aware of it but haven't had any issue extracting and tossing the bad cases, those have all been from a batch of starline I bought new (different long story).

This case was from a box of factory winchester 454 casull I got with a package deal I got about 1 year ago. I shot the factory ammo and this case has finally made it to the bench . it was deprimed , cleaned,sized, primed, flared , charged , loaded and crimped without detection.

My max type loads go in New cases that have been sized and trimmed if needed, if I'm making handloads for a serious task I sort by resistance to sizing of a new unfired cases too. Never split one of those cases or any of the 20 pieces of federal brass I have- they've been loaded 10+ times.


Point of this thread is to remind everyone that something you've done a million times can sneak up on you. This cartridge wouldn't have hurt my gun but it probably would have blown gas out and could have hurt me or someone else. You just don't know. So when you're cranking that press remember that there are serious consequences for what we do at the bench. Even the most careful handloaders go kaboom sometimes. I don't miss much but things do happen.

Good luck
 

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When I saw the 15 grains of Unique I about dropped my coffee. Then I read down to the .454. ok.
I remember reading in the late fifties or early sixties about Dick Casull developing his loads and his blow 'em up triplex loads with Bullseye in the bottom topped by 2400 topped by Unique. Reading Ackley's 1962 book I found the same thing.
Anyway, thanks for the good read and the reminder.
 
Good catch OP. This is why I case gauge everything I reload, as much to check it against the gauge, as to force me to put hands/eyes on every round as it goes through to gauge to catch similar problems.

What is the most likely out come of shooting a cracked case round?

In that particular case probably not much other than the crack growing probably through the mouth of the case. You might get a little gas flow back at the shooter but most likely not much. The case head and web of the case are still intact and that will still seal the chamber. Not that I would choose to fire that case but that probably would not have cause any significant problems if fired.

Another trick as a reloader is that empty cases that are split ring "off". Take a batch of brass and shake if before you start loading them or pouring them into the case feeder. A split case will have a dull sound that is very distinctive when mixed in with a bunch of good brass that rings much cleaner. It's quite remarkable how easy it is to hear. Try it, take a split case and throw it in with a box of good brass and start shaking, you will hear it. Once you hear that bad case a quick divide-shake-divide-shake... with quickly locate that split case.
 
I have found the same issue before and was surprised that I hadn't felt or seen it before. I've got in the habit of wiping all the cases with a fibrous cotton cloth that will catch on the least little nick or crack in the brass. I've caught a few like that.
 
I catch cracked casings when i go to seat the bullet often. I can feel the difference from the others. I try to look them over prior to loading. But some times they slip by. I had nickle ones crack when resizing.
 
Hey all,

Just checking in to remind hand loaders and new reloaders alike , don't get complacent as you gain confidence . things happen, even if we're careful.

Here's mine -

I'm a careful loader and generally trickle and throw every charge, load on a single stage , decap in an independent process before tumbling, clean primer pockets, size, prime on a benchprime tool (individually obviously) , I flare and charge in one step, seat, crimp. A lot of handling a single cartridge . I have some equipment to be able to combine steps and can make volume if I wanted to but I generally just load magnum handgun cartridges and 45-70 cartridges . some of those loads are at the ragged edge and must be handled this way and that's why I do it methodically and carefully. Works for me.
I had a similar excperiance with a 10mm auto. Recently had started running all my ammo thru a Gauge. One snagged on the Gauge a Little bit which caused me to give it a second look. I caught an almost identical crack in the case. Was very glad I was being carefull and caught what may have been a catistrophic failure.



All that handling didn't save me from this one,
View attachment 979740

That's a once fired winchester factory loaded case, this is it's first "reload ". 255 grain .452" mbc Keith style , hi-tek coated bullet sitting on top of 15 grains of unique with a rem 7 1/2 primer- good for about 1275 fps from a 5" ruger. It's a nice moderate load that does a good job and is pleasant .

What's wrong with it?

View attachment 979742

In all my handling of this case I didn't notice the split case. Only on my final wipe down and boxing did I notice because the paper towel caught the edge. Split cases have been the norm for me in 454 casull, I'll have a few every couple hundred I load, under max/significantly below max, in two separate guns, under any and all situations and I can guess which ones will split when I size them- several are too hard and will give significant resistance to sizing - I'll put a mark on the case and after firing I'll find if any have split and every time it's a marked case. Something I'm aware of it but haven't had any issue extracting and tossing the bad cases, those have all been from a batch of starline I bought new (different long story).

This case was from a box of factory winchester 454 casull I got with a package deal I got about 1 year ago. I shot the factory ammo and this case has finally made it to the bench . it was deprimed , cleaned,sized, primed, flared , charged , loaded and crimped without detection.

My max type loads go in New cases that have been sized and trimmed if needed, if I'm making handloads for a serious task I sort by resistance to sizing of a new unfired cases too. Never split one of those cases or any of the 20 pieces of federal brass I have- they've been loaded 10+ times.


Point of this thread is to remind everyone that something you've done a million times can sneak up on you. This cartridge wouldn't have hurt my gun but it probably would have blown gas out and could have hurt me or someone else. You just don't know. So when you're cranking that press remember that there are serious consequences for what we do at the bench. Even the most careful handloaders go kaboom sometimes. I don't miss much but things do happen.

Good luck
Hey all,

Just checking in to remind hand loaders and new reloaders alike , don't get complacent as you gain confidence . things happen, even if we're careful.

Here's mine -

I'm a careful loader and generally trickle and throw every charge, load on a single stage , decap in an independent process before tumbling, clean primer pockets, size, prime on a benchprime tool (individually obviously) , I flare and charge in one step, seat, crimp. A lot of handling a single cartridge . I have some equipment to be able to combine steps and can make volume if I wanted to but I generally just load magnum handgun cartridges and 45-70 cartridges . some of those loads are at the ragged edge and must be handled this way and that's why I do it methodically and carefully. Works for me.

All that handling didn't save me from this one,
View attachment 979740

That's a once fired winchester factory loaded case, this is it's first "reload ". 255 grain .452" mbc Keith style , hi-tek coated bullet sitting on top of 15 grains of unique with a rem 7 1/2 primer- good for about 1275 fps from a 5" ruger. It's a nice moderate load that does a good job and is pleasant .

What's wrong with it?

View attachment 979742

In all my handling of this case I didn't notice the split case. Only on my final wipe down and boxing did I notice because the paper towel caught the edge. Split cases have been the norm for me in 454 casull, I'll have a few every couple hundred I load, under max/significantly below max, in two separate guns, under any and all situations and I can guess which ones will split when I size them- several are too hard and will give significant resistance to sizing - I'll put a mark on the case and after firing I'll find if any have split and every time it's a marked case. Something I'm aware of it but haven't had any issue extracting and tossing the bad cases, those have all been from a batch of starline I bought new (different long story).

This case was from a box of factory winchester 454 casull I got with a package deal I got about 1 year ago. I shot the factory ammo and this case has finally made it to the bench . it was deprimed , cleaned,sized, primed, flared , charged , loaded and crimped without detection.

My max type loads go in New cases that have been sized and trimmed if needed, if I'm making handloads for a serious task I sort by resistance to sizing of a new unfired cases too. Never split one of those cases or any of the 20 pieces of federal brass I have- they've been loaded 10+ times.


Point of this thread is to remind everyone that something you've done a million times can sneak up on you. This cartridge wouldn't have hurt my gun but it probably would have blown gas out and could have hurt me or someone else. You just don't know. So when you're cranking that press remember that there are serious consequences for what we do at the bench. Even the most careful handloaders go kaboom sometimes. I don't miss much but things do happen.

Good luck
 
I had a similar excperiance with a 10mm auto. Recently had started running all my ammo thru a Gauge. One snagged on the Gauge a Little bit which caused me to give it a second look. I caught an almost identical crack in the case. Was very glad I was being carefull and caught what may have been a catistrophic failure.
 
I don't miss much but things do happen.

Yup!!!

Happened to me a few months ago loading 44 mag.
Sized, belled and primed, ready to charge and seat a bullet.
Did the above and went to put it in the block and saw what you saw......
Out comes the kinetic puller.


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One can not become complacent* when reloading!!! I truly surprised myself!

*Today's "word of the day". :)
 
Another trick as a reloader is that empty cases that are split ring "off". Take a batch of brass and shake if before you start loading them or pouring them into the case feeder. A split case will have a dull sound that is very distinctive when mixed in with a bunch of good brass that rings much cleaner. It's quite remarkable how easy it is to hear. Try it, take a split case and throw it in with a box of good brass and start shaking, you will hear it. Once you hear that bad case a quick divide-shake-divide-shake... with quickly locate that split case.

Yes, if you don't know what he is talking about, save a split case and try it. Just add one to a good batch and everything will go "ding" except for that one "clank." Great advice.
 
In 30+ years reloading I have seen this probably 5 times. Usually the neck is also cracked and sometimes extends almost to the web. You have to be vigilant throughout the process. OP thanks for posting the reminder
 
This makes me think of another thread on this forum of late dealing with progressive presses and new operators.

Saying goes there are too many things going on with a progressive press for a new person yet this goes to show that even an experienced person with meticulous habits on a single stage press can have a near miss or a complete mishap. Has nothing to do with what you are doing it on but all about the attention to the small details.

Great catch my friend! Weather going to get warm we need to get out again.
 
I usually catch split cases during the cleaning/ polishing process from the sound they make

Same here, I’ve caught them before they get to the loaded stage in the process a few times.

Separating them by hand by caliber from the media basket allows me to inspect them, hand priming allows a second one, individually loading the bullets a third.

Im certainly not infallible, in fact I’m far from it, which is why I triple check them, etc. :)

Stay safe.
 
Although I use my LNL AP, I size cases prior to hand priming and then later loading them, so if I miss a cracked cases before it gets to the press I usually notice them while sizing since that is all that is going on at the time.
 
Hey all,

Just checking in to remind hand loaders and new reloaders alike , don't get complacent as you gain confidence . things happen, even if we're careful.

Here's mine -

I'm a careful loader and generally trickle and throw every charge, load on a single stage , decap in an independent process before tumbling, clean primer pockets, size, prime on a benchprime tool (individually obviously) , I flare and charge in one step, seat, crimp. A lot of handling a single cartridge . I have some equipment to be able to combine steps and can make volume if I wanted to but I generally just load magnum handgun cartridges and 45-70 cartridges . some of those loads are at the ragged edge and must be handled this way and that's why I do it methodically and carefully. Works for me.

All that handling didn't save me from this one,
View attachment 979740

That's a once fired winchester factory loaded case, this is it's first "reload ". 255 grain .452" mbc Keith style , hi-tek coated bullet sitting on top of 15 grains of unique with a rem 7 1/2 primer- good for about 1275 fps from a 5" ruger. It's a nice moderate load that does a good job and is pleasant .

What's wrong with it?

View attachment 979742

In all my handling of this case I didn't notice the split case. Only on my final wipe down and boxing did I notice because the paper towel caught the edge. Split cases have been the norm for me in 454 casull, I'll have a few every couple hundred I load, under max/significantly below max, in two separate guns, under any and all situations and I can guess which ones will split when I size them- several are too hard and will give significant resistance to sizing - I'll put a mark on the case and after firing I'll find if any have split and every time it's a marked case. Something I'm aware of it but haven't had any issue extracting and tossing the bad cases, those have all been from a batch of starline I bought new (different long story).

This case was from a box of factory winchester 454 casull I got with a package deal I got about 1 year ago. I shot the factory ammo and this case has finally made it to the bench . it was deprimed , cleaned,sized, primed, flared , charged , loaded and crimped without detection.

My max type loads go in New cases that have been sized and trimmed if needed, if I'm making handloads for a serious task I sort by resistance to sizing of a new unfired cases too. Never split one of those cases or any of the 20 pieces of federal brass I have- they've been loaded 10+ times.


Point of this thread is to remind everyone that something you've done a million times can sneak up on you. This cartridge wouldn't have hurt my gun but it probably would have blown gas out and could have hurt me or someone else. You just don't know. So when you're cranking that press remember that there are serious consequences for what we do at the bench. Even the most careful handloaders go kaboom sometimes. I don't miss much but things do happen.

Good luck
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A good reminder. I knew if I kept riding a motorcycle I would have to drop my bike... again. No matter how experienced you are, things will still happen. Luck isn’t enough.
 
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