Long Range Rifle/Scope/PRS question(s)

Walkalong said:

I am at 2.364 to 2.373 OAL and they fit both my Dasher mags, the AICS 10 round .308 with the Primal Rights kit, and the MDT 12 round Dasher mag.

Best I can measure, the AICS can handle 2.600 max, best I can measure. My buddy Jeff borrowed my MDT 12 rounder to shoot his new Dasher last weekend, and he still has it, so I can't check it.

My round in the AICS. Included are both mags with just a case I had already taken.
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appreciate it...Brownell's shipping tracker says Monday for the mags...

Walkalong said:

Hitting the action before it gets high enough to catch? My guess.

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@GoldieMI - this. Why isn’t the mag latching? Is it hitting the receiver before latching? In other words, not getting high enough to latch.

It’s been 2yrs since I ordered my last Deviant, but I had to request AW cut at the time. The site says AW cut is offered for medium length (short action) Deviants, but it was a zero cost add on when I have ordered mine in the past. If it’s not cut for them, the AW mags will not insert far enough to latch, while AICS center feed mags WILL fit between the receiver rails to raise high enough to latch. That would be the first thing I checked before exploring alternative latches.

PVA claims blocked AICS mags should allow 2.53-2.55” COAL’s, give or take specific mags and specific blocks. MDT’s with their spacers are 2.52xx” nominal length from spacer to binder, AW mags with HRD gear spacers are 2.58xx” nominal, so something in that 2.52-2. Looks like I can get 2.51” to fit into blocked MDT 12rnd mags, and 2.55” to fit into HRD blocked AW’s. Longer than I seat Dashers either way...

Question for you guys running Dashers. If you were to start over today, would you go with 6GT?

MarshallDodge said:

Question for you guys running Dashers. If you were to start over today, would you go with 6GT?

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Good question. I'm close to ordering a rifle (still exploring options) and have been back and forth between 6 Dasher and 6 Creedmoor repeatedly. The 6 GT seems to split the difference nicely: many of the benefits of the 6 Dasher but supposedly feeds well from a standard .308 magazine.

MarshallDodge said:

Question for you guys running Dashers. If you were to start over today, would you go with 6GT?

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I have two 6 Creeds and a Dasher for PRS use. I bought a barrel last year to ream for GT, but did not yet do so. I like having both so I can keep my brass supply sorted more easily. I love the Dasher. The GT is easier, no fireforming, it it gets RIDICULOUS speeds for its powder charges. I was a Dasher fan before I started shooting PRS, if I were any more serious and only running ONE cartridge, it would be a Dasher or a GT. Flip a coin, neither is a wrong answer.

So I would personally go Dasher again, but if I did not, honestly, I’d be ALMOST as likely to go BRA instead of GT.

Varminterror said:

@GoldieMI - this. Why isn’t the mag latching? Is it hitting the receiver before latching? In other words, not getting high enough to latch.

It’s been 2yrs since I ordered my last Deviant, but I had to request AW cut at the time. The site says AW cut is offered for medium length (short action) Deviants, but it was a zero cost add on when I have ordered mine in the past. If it’s not cut for them, the AW mags will not insert far enough to latch, while AICS center feed mags WILL fit between the receiver rails to raise high enough to latch. That would be the first thing I checked before exploring alternative latches.

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think you hit dead on...it looks like the feed lips are hitting before it gets high enough to latch. excuse the mess, cleaning and checking at the same time...since it's raining out.

Legionnaire said:

The 6 GT seems to split the difference nicely: many of the benefits of the 6 Dasher but supposedly feeds well from a standard .308 magazine.

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Most (if not all) of the GT shooters I know (a dozen and a half or so shooters) have all converted to blocked magazines. It SHOULD feed well without blocks, but it seems maximum reliability is still out of blocked mags.

If Alpha was making brass when I had to make this decision I would have probably gone with a Dasher too. As it was I went with the 6BRA and have been very happy with its inherent accuracy (i.e. very wide tune window). I’m shooting it in a singe shot Panda so magazine feeding isn’t an issue.

When it comes time to re barrel my Mausingfield I have a 6mm MTU contour Bartlein sitting at Short Action Customs waiting for a chamber. I’ll have to make this decision all over again and will have to consider magazine feeding. It will either be another 6BRA or a 6GT.....or maybe not....

I really like 6BR and it sounds like the recipe is getting better for feeding them.

Someone needs to make a configurable magazine for all the 308 BF calibers. Something you can put a couple different followers in and attach different feed lips for all the different calibers.

A Bergara B14R barreled action found it's way into my At One stock.

taliv said:

I want something that shoots h4350 well. Due to the component shortage im almost out of varget but have a mountain of h4350.

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I’m in the opposite situation. I’m in a healthy position on Varget, H4895, N140 and N150. Zero H4350

H4350 works well in 6.5CM, 6x47L, 6GT.

You can always trade for what you want. I've been trading 1K of small rifle primers for 2 lbs of Varget. I'm probably giving the other guy the better end of the deal but I was running low on Varget and am not trying to scalp people.

I also traded off some RL17 for 8208.

My 6 Creeds love H4350 as well...well at least for ~1200-1300 rounds lol

I have an RL16 load developed because I like to know I have a backup plan, but I exclusively shoot H4350 in 6 creed.

I’m finding myself long enough on large and small rifle primers and long enough on H4350, Varget, and 8208 (30+ lbs of each) to last me a goodly while, and sufficient brass to limp through (might have a BUNCH of firings, but less than the max I’ve taken them), but I’m short on bullets this year. I only have about 2900 6mm bullets to make it through this competition season, reserving about 800 of those for my son’s specialty pistol practice and a match this summer... looks like I’m gonna be shooting a bunch of REALLY expensive A-tips if my Berger back-orders don’t deliver before June.

Shot the dasher work up loads today- the ES numbers were suprising
I used Rem 7.5s instead of Fed 210M or CCI 450s
thoughts?

An inevitable PRS competition experience I’ll share which reared its ugly head on me this morning:

That special feeling when you’re shooting well during the first handful of stages during the first morning of a 2 day PRS match... and then a changing wind races away from your holds on the clock and you drop more points in a single stage - TWICE AS MANY - as you had dropped on the first 4 stages of the day before it...

I had called a 16mph (measuring 12, but obviously higher in flight, confirmed by 2 shooters in front of me making their only impacts when holding 16mph), but my first shot missed on the upwind side, so I sent the second on target at 10mph call - Impact. Moved farther out to second target and added commensurate wind, slipped off the downwind edge, measure, correct, too late, second shot went into the same hole off of the downwind side, repeat, repeat, repeat... I sent a 3rd round at the last target after the clock (non-scoring 11th round, pride-saver), hit with 26mph hold... the wind simply increased faster than I was measuring and correcting...

I know at least two guys cleaned that stage, but I also watched 6 guys out of two squads blank it... wasn’t fun writing that big 1 on my scoresheet though.