Wet pin tumbler build

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I started wet pin tumbling last year after years using dry media vibration tumbling and ultrasonic cleaning been doing that since some time around 2006, before that I washed oily rifle brass in soap and water after sizing, if I even did that.
My current setup is a harbor freight rock tumbler with a 1qt mayson jar. It works pretty good just would like to fit more in there and maybe do it faster.
I like being able to pick up the jar and just look at it to know what the condition of the brass and water looks like. So want it to be a see through container.

To start it off I picked up a 48 frame 115v 1/3hp 6 pole 1,140rpm fan motor for cheap. The lower the motor RPM the higher the starting torque and the less I'll have to reduce it down.

To really rock and roll the brass and pins I'm trying to get the 1 gallon mayson jar rotating between 60 and 100 RPM.
A 3:1 motor reduction to roughly a 0.9 inch roller shafts with rubber heater hose slipped over keyed shafts with some electrical splice tape should get me to around 80rpm. Scaling up the 1qt rock tumbler to a 1 gallon power tumbler should require about 1/10 of a horsepower to turn that jar 100 times a minute. So I don't need anything like a 1 hp motor, at least not until I build an even bigger one.
That might be too fast but that's kind of the point. So fast the pins and cases are not pinned to the outside of the jar like clothes in a front load washing machine on spin cycle, but not so slow, steady and safe like a boring rock tumbler. I want it to be a little scarry. Hopefully I can do what took the rock tumbler 2 hours to do in under an hour and do 4x as much in that time. Right now I can fit about 170 count of 9mm or about 100 count of 223 in a 1qt jar.

But wait there's more I'll make it long enough to fit 2x 1 gallon jars. Probably won't have any guards or anything so it will be way more dangerous than a gun.

Why do I need all this tumbler power?
I have an outdoor range that I mine black and heavily tarnished brass out of. I also have people that smurf brass there and I could charge them 10% to launder their really dirty brass.

Any one ever build one?
 
Yes, I have.

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Ten pounds of water, ten pounds of pins and ten pounds of brass.

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These baffles lift and drop, no matter the rotational speed. They also keep cases from rolling on the bottom at low speed.

I have a more gentle canister without baffles that requires a smaller load. That one is more dependent on speed to get the agitation correct.

I get great results in about 35 minutes.
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I have never tried a glass container. I imagine the inside to get frosted with the impacting, but one might still see how things are going on inside.
I would be too afraid of it cracking or breaking though. My tumbler is quite efficient.
That means Loud and Violent.:)
I close the door to my loading room and can still hear it upstairs. It’s too loud too loud to work next to, for sure.

Probably won't have any guards or anything so it will be way more dangerous than a gun.
When I close the door I lock it. Even though I used half inch oak dowels to exhibit the power of the belt and sheave pulley, by exploding them in the pulley spokes and crushing it several times, all without the machine even noticing to slow a bit, it could easily rip one of my children’s arms straight off. Or mangle it to uselessness.:eek:
Locks are good!

Let us know what you come up with.
Build threads are awesome! :thumbup:
 
Demi-human - Great job! A couple of questions though:

1) What is the OD of the PVC for the larger canister you are using?

2) I see you fastened the baffles inside but there are no fastener heads visible on the outside. Is the schedule of the PVC higher than 80?

3) Once done, how to you dry that volume of cases before they re-tarnish?
 
I built one using a 40 RPM gear motor and two 12.7 gallon buckets. One bolted to the faceplate the motor turned, the other with agitators in it that nests in the other during use.

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It will do thousands of pistol cases per batch.

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I built some really big ones for a business and an overhead crane to load and unload the drums. They tumble 15 gallons of brass per drum at a time.

 
I use a Harbor Freight Tumbler. Tried a plastic mayonnaise jar. It rotated nicely but the pins/cases just lay on the bottom, the jar rotated around them. Your gonna need some sort of ridges (?) Inside that jar I think.
 
If your considering containers may I recommend a square bucket. They sell laundry detergent and cat litter in square buckets.
 
To get the pins and brass turning you have to fill it up 80% or more, or add cleats, for my mayson jar on a rock tumbler I RTV'ed copper wire along the sides of the jar for cleats.
For the 1 gallon jar I was going to RTV stainless 3/16 key stock along the sides of the jar.

I don't think I'm big enough to need a concrete mixer for brass yet.

Looks like I'm going to need more pins, as I only have about 5lb.
 
Yes, I have.

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Ten pounds of water, ten pounds of pins and ten pounds of brass.

index.php

These baffles lift and drop, no matter the rotational speed. They also keep cases from rolling on the bottom at low speed.

I have a more gentle canister without baffles that requires a smaller load. That one is more dependent on speed to get the agitation correct.

I get great results in about 35 minutes.
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I have never tried a glass container. I imagine the inside to get frosted with the impacting, but one might still see how things are going on inside.
I would be too afraid of it cracking or breaking though. My tumbler is quite efficient.
That means Loud and Violent.:)
I close the door to my loading room and can still hear it upstairs. It’s too loud too loud to work next to, for sure.


When I close the door I lock it. Even though I used half inch oak dowels to exhibit the power of the belt and sheave pulley, by exploding them in the pulley spokes and crushing it several times, all without the machine even noticing to slow a bit, it could easily rip one of my children’s arms straight off. Or mangle it to uselessness.:eek:
Locks are good!

Let us know what you come up with.
Build threads are awesome! :thumbup:
Thanks for the share. Simple set up, just what I was looking for.
 
I finished mine in February. The 6" pipe body is cut to 13" and has a capacity of about 1.75 gals.
I usually run with 1gal of hot water & about 3# of pins.
The lifters (agitators) are each 1/4 section of 4" pipe cemented & screwed in place.
The machine runs about 65rpm and I really wouldn't want it any faster. It's FAST and the 2 lifters create a lot of action inside.

Short video:
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Those are big motors. Most of us only need like 1/10 to 1/4 horsepower.
My calculations put the amount power needed to turn a 6 inch gallon mayson jar loaded up real good at 100RPM at about 1/10 of a horsepower.
Seems like I don't need to be anywhere near 100 RPM so I won't need 1/10 horsepower. Maybe about 1/10hp for two 1 gallon mayson jars going at the same time
 
Those are big motors. Most of us only need like 1/10 to 1/4 horsepower.
My calculations put the amount power needed to turn a 6 inch gallon mayson jar loaded up real good at 100RPM at about 1/10 of a horsepower.
Seems like I don't need to be anywhere near 100 RPM so I won't need 1/10 horsepower. Maybe about 1/10hp for two 1 gallon mayson jars going at the same time

I have 2 smaller dry tumblers that use much smaller motors. Both get too hot to touch.
I would discourage you from choosing an "adequate" motor.
For me the main reason is it's a motor I paid $5 for years ago. I'm glad I finally found a use for it.
 
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I use one of these in a dual drum harbor freight tumbler. The squared off sides provides enough agitator action to keep the brass and pins moving . I keep 3 or 4 on hand and as I decap brass of a specific caliber it goes into the jar. BTW it's plastic and transparent. Not my invention, found on YouTube.
 
I ordered some 2qt mayson jars after searching here only turned up more 1qt jars.
That should let me get my smaller lots of head stamps all the same color.
 
1) What is the OD of the PVC for the larger canister you are using?
Six inches. When I went to Lowe’s looking for fittings for the eight inch pipe sections I have, the sticker shock got me. I relented to using six inch and saving about a hundred dollars.:eek: I think the eight inch would be easier to load and reach into, and obviously hold more, but these have worked so well I stopped looking for more fittings. I can only imagine how expensive they are now!

2) I see you fastened the baffles inside but there are no fastener heads visible on the outside.
I chamfered the holes in the side of the pipe for the screws, then I glued the fitting over the screw heads for a leak free joint. The screws were tightened with nuts then bent over slightly to prevent loosening.
Two other canisters don’t have baffles, they are more gentle, a little.
3) Once done, how to you dry that volume of cases before they re-tarnish?

I wash the brass with ArmorAll WashNWax, then dry it in the oven. No tarnish at all. I have cases I haven’t used in seven years that are still gleaming like new.
 
I wash the brass with ArmorAll WashNWax, then dry it in the oven. No tarnish at all. I have cases I haven’t used in seven years that are still gleaming like new.

Good to know. I've got once-fired brass out the a** over here (the range has 40 gallon trash cans full) and I had been tossing around ideas on cement mixers to clean them with, and this thread has some great ideas. The problem is drying that volume of cases. Best I can come up with is one of the slow moving pizza ovens (the kind with the conveyor belt) but they are about 3-5K each :confused:
 
The place I built those big wet tumblers for did have a bank of cement mixers opposite of the wet ones. They used something similar to pantyhose stretched over the mouth of them and a duct system to evacuate the corncob dust from the room.

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This is the media separator I built to roll down the aisle, in this video it’s almost complete except the bottom pan that the tub rides on and paint.



They used wet on fired cases and the dry for loaded rounds.
 
I made one from a 2' piece of 4" PVC drain pipe by gluing a 2' piece of 3/4" pipe split in half with sealed ends inside to get the brass to tumble. After putting ends on it adding brass, water, Lemishine & Dawn I put the cap on it & let it run for about 1 1/2 hours.

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Running it looks like this, it's turning about 70 rpm.


It's still a little rough, it's just a prototype I'm planning on getting it reworked as soon as I get it caught up with the brass cleaning.
 
My 48Y frame motor came in. It has a 5/8 keyed shaft and beefy ball bearings. Usually 48 frame motors have a 1/2 inch shaft with a flat spot.
But not problem.
 
Little bit of a hick up, used the 6 pole motor on my 1x42 belt sander as it's 2 pole motor died. It was trying to run so fast the motor was over loaded even at no load so it smoked. Put the six pole on there with a smaller pulley, gave it hell making a hammer handle, no smoke.
So I ordered another 6 pole motor.
 
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