Six calibers that are going to be obsolete

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Not a scribe nor educator, but I would like to offer a rebuttal from a shooter and simpleman.

25ACP-yes the really cool small pistols for them were outlawed and it put a damper on the caliber. Seems everyone wants a 22lr for the cheap practice. I prefer the reliability of the caliber over rimfires and think a 9shot LCP in 25ACP would find a way in my pocket. My Beretta 950B has to do for now.

32H&R Mag-smarter men have suggested the j frame version in the Airweights and I concur. A nice sized 6/7 shooter that I would carry daily. My 432 will have to sit in the safe and be lonely until then.

32ACP-true some 380s are just as small, but not very shootable for me. I see this, in my experience only of course, when I shot the KT 32 and 3AT side by side. Just like the 32s I guess.

41 Mag-there are 44mag shooters and 41mag believers! More bite, less bark than a 357 and in the same size frame. Flatter and same bullet range as the 44s, to a degree. And I doubt any whitetail I ever shot with my 41 didn’t know it wasn’t a 44. .019” difference between them. My go to hunting caliber.

45GAP-...........crickets............it’s a 45! I have nothing except I liked it in a 37 and XD I had.

40SW-just like it. My G27 is the last Glock to leave.

One thing I remember back this time last year was ALL of these were on the shelves when 9mm, 357/38, and 45ACP was gone! That and 38 Super! So I know which caliber I’m getting my next 1911 in.

Also, I understand the author’s thinking on this article. Every caliber here has been or could be replaced with a more popular one and weapons made for them are scarce for some calibers. With the 40SW being an exception. And we have been told it was dead long time ago. Before CORVID 19, all I heard was standardization to common calibers. A lot of us did. Common calibers were dirt cheap and everywhere. And the first ones to run out.

Maybe next year it’s isn’t a pandemic, but an executive order that wipes out available calibers due to them being for “LE and Government Use Only”.

Anyways, still want a LCPII in 25ACP or 32ACP.

Lefty
 
Sales sales and yes, sales is the keystone of determining how well a cartridge does, despite its less than obvious advantages or shortfalls compare to the rest of the similar loadings. Those owners/ users who like what they have will probably continue to like it. A gun magazine writer might ruffle your feathers. I reckon that’s because you were thinking he is full of it and has a bone to pick with a handgun, a cartridge or a certain company. I don’t care if my experience is vastly different from his so long as what I’m using is what I know will do the job if I do mine.
Remember that obsolete can be no longer used due to other types taking their place for economic, ergonomic, tactical or political reasons.
 
The GAP I can understand. But the others seem to always have someone that likes them. I don't understand why they included the 40 S&W. 357 SIG would have made more sense.
The GAP was destined for failure right out the gate, I'm surprised Glock is still clambering them. The sales on GAP's have got to be so low... I don't know anyone who has even mentioned one, much less own one. Never seen one for sale at any of my locals and have been here (@ THR) about 5 years and have never seen anyone claim to own one, no ".45GAP vs -------" threads or any sign that this round is still alive.

The. 32acp and especially .40S&W will not be going anywhere anytime soon.
 
Like shooters need another reason to horde ammo & reloading equipment.
I don't own any of those calibers, but they will add mine next issue.
 
Never seen one for sale at any of my locals and have been here (@ THR) about 5 years and have never seen anyone claim to own one, no ".45GAP vs -------" threads or any sign that this round is still alive.

See post # 37.

You're only one person. I've seen them for sale.
 
25 ACP is already pretty well phased out of consideration/production.
45 GAP was never really in wide-spread consideration by other OEMs.
You can have these, no problem. Leave the other chamberings alone.
Also, I disagree with you for calling 32 H&R "not magnum enough" or calling .41 Mag "the compromise no one wanted".
First, 32 H&R fully achieved its intended design goals.
Second, Elmer Keith wanted the compromise and so did Smith and Wesson. I still want that compromise, it just never gets a fair shake.
 
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The GAP was destined for failure right out the gate, I'm surprised Glock is still clambering them. The sales on GAP's have got to be so low... I don't know anyone who has even mentioned one, much less own one. Never seen one for sale at any of my locals and have been here (@ THR) about 5 years and have never seen anyone claim to own one, no ".45GAP vs -------" threads or any sign that this round is still alive.

The. 32acp and especially .40S&W will not be going anywhere anytime soon.

My Dad had a .45 GAP. I shot it some. Nothing wrong with it, but aside from the miniscule difference in length and the smaller frames resulting, there's nothing it does that .45 ACP can't, and it can't do 230 grain real well, which ACP does fantastically.
 
[QUOTE="6 Handgun Cartridges That Will Soon Be Obsolete | Field & Stream" https://www.fieldandstream.com/guns/old-handgun-cartridges/[/QUOTE]

Ha Ha Ha! The only thing that "will soon be obsolete" is Field and Stream which at one time was a print magazine with more than a million subscribers but now has been reduced to a web site / blog with virtually no readers, no advertisers, and no writers that know much about firearms apparently....
 
See post # 37.

You're only one person. I've seen them for sale.
It should be understood that I know that they exist and some people have them, I was more or less indicating that it wasn't really that surprising to see that one on the list. There is a reason why at the height of ammo panics .45GAP is the only ammo you can find for a handgun....
 
It should be understood that I know that they exist and some people have them, I was more or less indicating that it wasn't really that surprising to see that one on the list. There is a reason why at the height of ammo panics .45GAP is the only ammo you can find for a handgun....

Can't find any at Midway, Grafs, Natchez, Target Sports.
 
These sorts of articles have been around at least as long as I have. I remember G&A predicting the demise of the .41 thirty years ago. I was outraged enough at the cover blurb to buy the magazine, so the strategy is obviously effective.

The .25 really is stupid, though. :neener:
 
Without looking I can name 4 of the 6, let me see if I can get this.
I pick up a lot of brass at our range & from what I pick up I would say
#1 would be the .40 S&W it was a popular round about 5 years ago but just dropped away.
The next #2 would be the .45 GAP because I see so few of these I didn't know what it was when I first saw it.
Then just recently people needing something to shoot I have seen the old .32 caliber getting pulled out of the back of the gun locker just to use up the half box of ammo that they have been saving.
The it was the .25 caliber right next to it for the same reason, they had to have something to shoot.
Oh by the way when you pick up .25s & .32s from the range put them in separate containers because they get lost inside of the other cases. LOL
I'm still finding them stuck inside of cases I tumbled weeks ago.
Well let me see if I was right. Yep I was right but the .41 Mag & the .32 H&R mag I don't think I have ever seen, unless I sorted them out thinking they were some other cases.
A few others that you don't see all the time is the 9mm Makarov & the 9mm Largo. Then you have the 357Sig if you see one case there is normally a pile of them & almost all of them have split necks.
Maybe these are just odd calibers & don't get much use.
 
9mm can do small but it hurts, 380 does small better, but 32ACP owns small.
That pretty much says it all. IMO, the Kel-Tec P32 is the best pocket pistol you can buy. Is a pocket pistol the best self-defense option? Probably not, but that's a different argument.
 
I was worried when I saw the title but reading the article I was reassured to see that my 32S&W short and longs and my 38S&W are not threatened by obsolescence.
 
I didn't read it but I saw an article linked elsewhere the other day questioning if the .45 ACP was becoming obsolete. It was written by Mas Ayoob if I recall correctly. As has been said these articles are designed to stir controversy & get attention. In all honesty the only cartridge in the written article that I use is .40 S&W. It has declined. Some manufacturers no longer offer new guns chambered for it. There are however a lot of guns already in circulation that use it. I personally like it & while ammunition might be more expensive I doubt it will go anywhere for a very long time. I suspect as long as there are serviceable guns in circulation there will be someone that uses these calibers.
 
I have NOT read the 'Srpingboard' article and likely will not. Much of the discussion revolves around the issue of 'obsolescence'; what does that mean? I wonder if the author of the article in question provides an explanation of what is meant here?

Obsolete in military use means the item is not longer deemed useful for supply line recognition. For example, .34-40 Krag, .30-06 Springfield and 7.62x51mm are no longer stocked or issued generally by the U. S. Armed Forces. They are 'obsolete' in those terms. On the other hand, and in a private, useful sense, none of those three rounds are antiquated in any sense. Per my puckish sense of humor, the 7x57mm Mauser is similarly obsolete. (I find it delightful for my own purposes.)

Then one hears 'obsolete' in the sense of 'passé'; it just isn't done or cool any more. I suspect those who favor 5.56mm NATO over older cartridges (the three in the preceding paragraph come to mind) think in these terms. Probably .40 S&W has been largely replace in the majority by 9x19mm for various reasons.

When a cartridge doesn't sell enough to be commercially profitable, the manufacturers declare it 'obsolete'. Witness the demise of .32 rimfire rifle ammunition. Possibly the same factor for .41 Magnum or .40 S&W. All are fine and useful for the intended purpose, but popularity - in terms of purchases - are low and expected to get lower.

The last sense (at least for me in this commentary) is the cartridge in question has been superseded in usage by another, 'better' round. Therefore, the 'older' cartridge is then deemed 'obsolete'. The .257 Roberts has largely been pushed aside by the .243 Winchester. I happen to like the .257 Roberts.

I have not seen a dictum by the National Council of Churches, the NRA, SAAMI or God declaring certain cartridges ARE obsolete and must not be made or used after a certain date. (Da-da-da Duummm!)

As long as they keep selling, manufacturers will keep making it. PPU still manufactures new 8mm Lebel cartridges. Who would have thought that?
 
Journalistic crap. Most of these cartridges, if they were going to be "obsolete", would have been discontinued years ago if that were truly the case. Whenever a new cartridge is offered that is supposed to be the "latest and greatest", it gets an initial rush of buyers, and then settles into some level of popularity or obscurity. Some of those that lose popularity languish a while, then make a resurgence for some reason or another.

A case in point is the 10mm Auto. FBI developed it because they wanted more than the 9mm offered, then discovered reasons to hate it, and developed the .40S&W as a compromise. .40 was king for a short while, and 10mm got shoved in a drawer. Now, 30-odd years later, it's gotten popular again, and according to the article, is going to supplant the venerable .41 Magnum, which went through the same teething issues as the 10mm did a number of years earlier. There is a renewed interest in .41 Magnum, if the number of threads on the guns chambered for it on these forums is any indication. Certainly, it's a niche market compared to 9mm. I think .40S&W will do the same, and be compared to the 10mm the same way .38Spl. is compared to .357 Magnum. I shoot .40S&W, it keeps coming back as my primary CC gun, mainly because the pistol I have for it (Ruger SR40c) is a great utilitarian piece and I don't worry about beating it up. I've never had any of the issues the writers seem to beat on it with. I also shoot 10mm a good bit, and have had a 10mm pistol of some sort since it was the darling child of the FBI. I also have .41 Magnum, and though the article seems to compare it to the 10mm, it has a good deal more power. Look at most any comparative ballistics and the 10mm matches more closely to .357 Magnum. .41 Magnum's downfall is that there aren't that many guns made today that are chambered for it, so if you want to shoot it, you need something most people don't consider buying, a good revolver. I'd consider it a "boutique" caliber, and I prefer it over .44 Magnum, myself, which I also own.
 
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