Next cartridge to become obsolete?

[XDKingslayer]

This is funny...

For over 7 months people have been pontificating about .45GAP going away, yet here I am, still buying over 100 rounds of it a week without fail. Speer, Winchester, Remington, Federal, you name it.

If the Springfield EMP continues to take off in 9mm you can rest assured that it will be chambered for .45GAP. If that breaths a little more life into that round, then it will continue to live and other that also make small scale 1911 model pistols will have to chamber theirs for the GAP also simply to compete with SA.

The .17 isn't going anywhere either. Many companies are still making rifles chambered for it. It's easier to get a rifle in .17 than it is a pistol in .45GAP. It's foolish to think the .17 is going anywhere.

As a matter of fact, the only round seeming to have actually started to die out since this thread began is the 5.7.

 

[Manedwolf]

For over 7 months people have been pontificating about .45GAP going away, yet here I am, still buying over 100 rounds of it a week without fail. Speer, Winchester, Remington, Federal, you name it.

Though everyone I know refers to it as the .45 Squib, or "Gaston's Ego Trip"...

 

[Skywarp]

Having worked in a range and a gun store I can tell you the 357Sig is here to stay.


The last week I worked in the range I was able to scrounge over 1000 rounds of brass up.


Several PD's have switched to the 357Sig not to mention the major federal agencies using it. We always had ammo, walmart has ammo and it's getting cheaper. Some places locally it's just a little more that 45ACP, which isn't bad. If you go online it can be cheaper.

The internet is amazing, no longer do you have to go deal with little mom and pop shops who only deal in 45ACP because it's "God's cartridge". Ammo is cheap online and helps keep cartridges like 357SIG and 10mm in the limelight.

Aside from that, there are alot of offerings in 357SIG.
Glock (3 models)
Sig (4 models)
HK (2 models)
Beretta (1 model)
S&W (1 model)
Taurus (1 model/ maybe more)
Springfield (3 models)
Proably more.

 

[XDKingslayer]

Though everyone I know refers to it as the .45 Squib, or "Gaston's Ego Trip"...

I've heard it called a lot of things. Most of them shut up when they actually look at the correct data and/or shoot it.

Aside from that, there are alot of offerings in 357SIG.

SA offers the XD in 3 models chambered for .357SIG. I also wouldn't be suprised if the EMP is also chambered for it in the future.

 

[Fu-man Shoe]

Sadly, I think the .357 Maximum is an obsolete caliber.

It's too bad, because I kind of really want one. I already load
.38/.357, what's one more length, you know?

It seems there are very few guns chambered in .357 Max,
no factory ammo, and Remington is the only maker that
brass is available from..

.357 Maximum, I hardly knew thee, yet mourn your passing.

 

[Warbow]

I'm gonna catch flack on this I know, but I feel the .223 is going to face a huge decline in the near future. It not going to ever die, but as the military goes back to the M14 and more and more rifles are being chambered in the .308 caliber or the many new magnums, the general population is moving back to the high power realm - no matter which caliber, just like the rebirth of the big blocks rolling out of motor city. I feel the 223 has had its day in the sun.

I'll make a friendly wager with you that this won't happen within the next 10 years.

 

[Shootcraps]

I'll take a piece of that ^^^^^ action.

 

[Eleven Mike]

I'm gonna catch flack on this I know, but I feel the .223 is going to face a huge decline in the near future. It not going to ever die, but as the military goes back to the M14

Hold it right there, and let's define our terms. How do you mean the military is going back to the M14?

 

[Stevie-Ray]

Save your tears. People have been saying that for almost 20 years and it ain't happened yet. We have more guns and more ammo today than ever before for The Ten.

+1. When I bought my 10 there was exactly 1 gun made for it and only about 3 loadings for it. Now there are many guns and a bunch of loadings. I'm about to buy another, directly.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

but I feel the .223 is going to face a huge decline in the near future. It not going to ever die, but as the military goes back to the M14 and more and more rifles are being chambered in the .308 caliber

I've heard the new rifle round is going to .27 caliber.

 

[rhubarb]

Let's see what calibers have been mentioned in this thread:

.204 Ruger
.22 long
.22 shorts
.222 Remington
.223 .
.224 .
.225 Winchester
.22mag
.25 ACP
.250 Savage
.250-3000
.257 Roberts
.25ACP
.260 remington
.270 .
.30 carbine
.30 Luger
.300 Norma Mag
.300 Savage
.30-06
.303 savage
.30-40 Krag
.307 Win
.32 Long
.32 Magnum
.32 NAA
.32-20
.32ACP
.35 Remington
.35 WSM
.356 TSW
.357 Maximum
.376 Steyr
.38 Casull
.38 S&W
.38 Super
.380 ACP
.400 CorBon
.41 Long Colt
.41 Magnum
.44 Auto-mag
.44 Special
.444 Marlin
.45 Bushmaster
.45 GAP
.45 Super
.45 WinMag
.450 Marlin
.45-60
.460 Roland
.460 XVR
.475 Wildey
.480 Ruger
.480 Ruger
.50 AE
.50 GI
.50 Special
10mm
11.3x50
16ga
4.6x30
5.5mm Velo Dog
5.7X28mm
6..6 grendel
6.5 Carcano
6.8mm
6.8SPC
7.62 x 25
7.62x54R
7mm STW
8mm Mauser
8mm Nambu
8mm Rem Mag
9mm Luger
9x18 Makarov
Remington Ultra mags
Winchester Super Short Magnums

Glad to see there's consensus on this issue.

 

[loadedround]

Jim Mcloud in the 2nd post mentions the 10mm as becoming obsolete, and he is right to a certain extent. Most 10mm owners and shooters(like me) are reloaders. I have never bought factory ammo for my Colt Delta Elite, except whem my pistol was new and didn't have dies or components. I now have accumlulated over 3,000 new or once fired cases for my 10mm, and have loaded at least 10 or 12 boxes of ammo with both lead and jacketed bullets. The 10 mm was and still is a handloader's dream cartridge. Who needs factory ammo?

 

[GW]

What I find interesting in rhubarb's list is what is NOT mentioned.
45 ACP
44 magnum
9mm
40 S&W
308
7.62x39

 

[Brad Johnson]

I predict that the next obsolete caliber will be whatever I have the most guns chambered for. That seems to be my luck.

Brad

 

[tomhorn]

38 super is big in ole mexico

 

[tomhorn]

the 307 and the 356 marlin

 

[ajax]

Skywarp I was wondering how you knew that the .45acp was gods cartridge.

 

[Burddog]

Next to go away?

I have read through this entire thread and have been more than thrilled that, although mentioned as "similar to" or "since we have the"; the wonderful .243 rifle calber has not been nominated as one one the way to the junk heap.

I bought my first real high power rifle from a friend this summer and put a nice scope on it. I have had more fun sighting in this beauty than I can describe.

It is a thirty+ year old Mossberg model 800B in .243 caliber and it is just the sweetest thing I can imagine. Recoil is not a big deal, bullet weight choices are many and the accuracy is amazing. 55 gr. for varmints to 107 gr. for deer (yes 107 is out there) and whatever else I want to try it on. What a sweetie!
I put a Burris 4.5-14x42 on it and it is my forever rifle. For Iowa that is.
I for sure would not use it for really big game but I am confident that if I do my part it will kill any deer in North America and with proper marksmanship would be useful for elk.
Some may argue with that, but I did say proper marksmanship!

I am just very glad that .243 is not on anyones radar just yet for the obsolete list.

BTW 357 sig is one great cartridge!!

Burddog
www.iowacarry.org
Carry on! SIG P239 in 357 sig

 

[Don't Tread On Me]

When I made this post, I should have asked the question differently. Which mainstream cartridge will be the next to go obsolete? To define that, I might say the candidates would be cartridges currently loaded by Winchester, Federal and Remington. If the big boys aren't loading it, it's obsolete.


With the addition of wildcats, it becomes way too much. There is one interesting thing though. A cartridge that is loaded by a major manufacturer doesn't go completely obsolete, it drops down to the status of a wildcat in the way it is used. Although, that isn't the definition of a wildcat. Sometimes a smaller company will pick up on the loading of a cartridge the big boys have dumped to capitalize on a small niche in the market. I've seen that happen.


Surely, every cartridge that has ever been made is being loaded loaded by someone somewhere by fire forming other brass or whatnot. There are enough people who just want to be different, have something special, or have extremely specific needs that load cartridges that are all but dead. That isn't what I meant.

 

[Yo]

Re 17 Rimfires -- you may be surprised

Those who predict the demise of the 17 rimfires may be surprised. The 17 HMR is very healthy and is the preferred round (for 20-150 yards) for many serious varminters. Talk to the pro guides who run varmint safaris, particularly the squirrel shooters--they all keep 17 HMRs in the stable.

The 17 mach 2 may struggle a bit but this is because the ammo-makers haven't marketed it right, and we haven't had competition to improve the breed. I've been doing some serious test work for the past year with the 17 Mach 2, and the results have been pretty amazing. At 4.00/box now, at 50 yards, the round will shoot with the best .22 rimfire ammo (up to $11/box) in a good rifle.

At 100 yards, if you sort the rounds by runout, the 17 Mach 2 will shoot half-moa in a BR rig. This opens up the possibility of 100-yard rimfire competition. Here is a 100-yard target shot by my smith in my Hall-actioned 17 mach 2. It has four shots in .175":



It's just going to take time for people to get their hands on a accurate 17 Mach 2 rifle and prove to themselves what it will do. Considering that the 22LR outsells all other calibers by a large margin, I think the 17 Mach 2 has plenty of potential. It costs less than premium 22LR, and is about 40% less than the 17 HMR. It will do all the 22LR will do and much, much more. What it needs is more intelligent promotion by the ammo-makers and a competition venue to show off its capabilities. As to the 17 rimfires in general--if you think they aren't popular, you need to check the numbers. Combined, the 17 HMR and 17 Mach 2, right now, outsell factory loadings of any one single centerfire rifle caliber, including the .223 Remington. I don't expect the 17 Mach 2 to ever rival the 22LR, but the round definitely has a future.

 

[Don't Tread On Me]

Yes, the .17HMR is going to be around.


I have an NEF .17HMR that shoots sub-moa with ease that I'm going to sell very soon (have no use for it, don't go hunting, no varmints around where I live, I just wanted to see what all the .17hmr craze was about). I'm also out of room in the safe and I can't buy another safe!

I haven't shot it much, but it basically shoots like most .17's - excellent.


I'm a believer.

 

[Greg8098]

.45 acp is the next round to go the way of the dinosaur !!!

 

[McCall911]

I don't know if it's been mentioned...

6mm Remington. Even though it's a good cartridge, it's been eclipsed by the .243 Win.

(I'm amazed at how many views this topic has had!)

 

[tinygnat219]

oh yeah, and doesn't CZ use 7.62 x 25's in their old chech military pistols? good luck finding those things!

DaCoda,

Winchester, S&B, along with Wolf manufacture new 7.62X25 ammo. It's just a matter of time before folks use this round as an IPSC round too.
This is in no danger of going away.

 

[tinygnat219]

.45 acp is the next round to go the way of the dinosaur !!!

Greg8098,

I am still cleaning coffee off of my computer screen after your last post. Good one!