Weapons of Our Enemies

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P5 Guy said:
Will these be turned against US troops?

At least 1,900 US military firearms were lost or stolen over 10-year period: AP (msn.com)
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I downright laughed at that article. About a decade ago I was rotating through Kuwait from theater back to the US. We were ordered from high in the chain of command not to travel to Kuwait with weapons. No M4s, No M9s, and definitely nothing crew served like a M249 or 240B. News had broken about that time about a million issued firearms were missing from a transient Kuwait warehouse run by the US. A million. 1900 is both skeptical and dubiously low to worry about.
 
On another board a former armorer said some of the officers he dealt with were none too conscientious about conducting the inventories and signing them, and it was a favorite trick of armorers to have an obnoxious officer "sign" for something. And troops find ways to get back at an obnoxious armorer. Those living off-post would get off guard duty-and take their weapons home-"I'm signed for it." I served in Germany 1970-1971, the arms room keys were left with the CQ, armorers were always complaining that people were going into "their" arms room when they were not present.
 
BLACKHAWKNJ said:
On another board a former armorer said some of the officers he dealt with were none too conscientious about conducting the inventories and signing them, and it was a favorite trick of armorers to have an obnoxious officer "sign" for something. And troops find ways to get back at an obnoxious armorer. Those living off-post would get off guard duty-and take their weapons home-"I'm signed for it." I served in Germany 1970-1971, the arms room keys were left with the CQ, armorers were always complaining that people were going into "their" arms room when they were not present.
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Things sure did change in Germany from the early 70's to the early 90's when I was stationed in Baumholder. Access to the arms rooms was tightly controlled. Single guys living in the barracks that had personal firearms were at the mercy of the armorer if they wanted to take their person guns to the Rod and Gun Club on weekends. If the armorer didn't like you, forget it.
 
Demi-human said:
And yet, I shoot the Desert Eagle to one hundred yards with deadly accuracy and physical aplomb. I broke a steel plate in half, that a 44 Mag revolver didn’t even pock mark. And it’s legal for hunting where a (.223) AR isn’t.
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Demi,

Please share what projectile and load you were using to break a steel plate that a .44Mag wouldn't pockmark. Also, what projectile and load was the 44Mag revolver firing?

OP, I apologize in advance for the derail.

Thanks,
Keith
 
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A 300 grain Speer TMJ over 34.6 grains H-110, for 1500+FPS.

The 44 Magnum was factory fodder. Most likely Winchester White Box, as that was cheapest and that friend is quite cheap.;)

It’s not like it was an AR -500 target plate, but I do get what you’re playing at.

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A picture of the rack before breaking the lower right one, and losing the land lease to an entitled, flat lander stepson.

The centers are 1/2” sawmill blade arbor blanks from a local manufacturing facility, hung from 40 grade 5/8” re-rod welded to the back.
They aren’t hardened, but years of non magnum use has left no marks at all, and testing has proved the rating limit.

A .223 FMJ will torch right trough a 3/4” thick blank that simply splashes a soft point.
This six inch is 7/8” but of a different steel, rimfire pock marks it. It should work fine at 200 yards for my 450 Bushmaster, at least for a little while. image.jpg
 
Slamfire said:
The same idiot who sent American troops to invade Mexico in 1916 (President Wilson) also sent American troops to invade Russia in 1918. Before we intervened in the Russian Civil War, we were supplying Mosin Nagants to the Czar. He was our bestest buddy, as he promised to pay for all those nice shiny Mosin Nagants. It did not turn out that way. His Government fell , and the Czar ended up worm food, before all those American made Mosin Nagants were sent to him. Given the location of the invasion, Siberia, American troops were armed with American made Mosin Nagants. The Archangel invasion proved to be another colossal failure, and of course with all failures, it is sort of forgotten.

But, is the Mosin an enemy weapon, because it is Russian, or a friendly weapon, because we were shooting Russians with the things?

Gotta wonder how a new American made M1891 made its way to the Finns.

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I remember reading somewhere that they made the troops turn in Springfield 1903's for Mosin-Nagants. They were not happy. I don't remember why the switch.
 
It happens. I remember A Signal Company First Sergeant going from Company to Company looking for 17 M-14's that were on his Property Books but were nowhere to be found. His Company had received M16's a few months prior and no one had noted the shortage when the exchange was made.
 
Terry G said:
I remember reading somewhere that they made the troops turn in Springfield 1903's for Mosin-Nagants. They were not happy. I don't remember why the switch.
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Because we were fighting alongside the remnants of the anti-communist White Russian army, we needed to have ammunition commonality with them, given the extreme length, and frozen nature, of the North Sea supply chain. We could also use weapons and ammunition captured from the Reds as well. 7.62x54R was stockpiled all over that region at the time, .30-06 not so much.
 
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Gunny, that's a Colt 1861. The 1860 was .44 caliber and had a rebate, or "step" in the cylinder to accommodate the larger ammunition.
The 1860 and 1861 were very similar revolvers and it is easy to confuse them.
 
The 98K (A 1944-vintage Gustloff Werke) was taken by my father as a trophy. It had never been issued and was still in cosmoline. He also brought a Luger home, but he eventually sold it (no, the Luger here is not the one he brought back). He also had a CZ27 (or P27, the German designation) that he carried as a backup during the war (and no, this 27 is not the same one, as far as I know). The Sauer 38H was brought back by my BIL's father but is currently in my collection.

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When discussing “enemy weapons” of course one must discuss timeframe and which particular conflict. That being said, it’s pretty neat seeing the myriad of weapons, design and use philosophies, etc.
 
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