1 DUI in 5 Years Will Cause TN TICS to Deny Transaction

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TICS will now have to deny firearm transactions on individuals that have been convicted of one DUI within the last five years, and individuals that have two DUI convictions in the last ten years.

From: TICS on behalf of Sandi Duncan
Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021, 9:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: July 1, 2021 New Law

As of July 1, 2021, a new law has gone into effect. (Attached) I wanted to notify all the FFL Dealers in the state, because TICS will now have to deny firearm transactions on individuals that have been convicted of one DUI within the last five years, and individuals that have two DUI convictions in the last ten years. I was hoping this new law would not have an effect on the purchases, but I was notified late yesterday that we would now have to deny the transactions that meet this criteria. I have attached the Public Chapter 108 which is the new Permitless Carry Law.

Sandi Duncan
CJIS Manager – TICS Unit
Tennessee Bureau of Investigation
901 R.S. Gass Blvd. Nashville, TN. 37216
 
In ky you can't get a ccdw license with a recent DUI conviction. I don't recall the details now.
 
DUI isn’t a mistake. Actions have consequences. However, a Class A Misdemeanor (first DUI conviction in TN) does not seem like it should be a basis for denial of firearms transfer.
Actually it is:
mistake
noun
1. an act or judgement that is misguided or wrong

Driving under the influence of anything that impairs one's ability is an error or mistake. It could be a scrip med that you have a reaction to, it isn't just about alcohol or illegal narcotics. While you should get the driving penalty, IMO it should not preclude you from obtaining a firearm
 
If TICS (Tennessee Instant Check System?) denies a sale, does that also make anyone with a single DUI within the past five years, or two DUIs within the past ten years a PROHIBITED PERSON that must divest themselves of all owned firearms? If not, then this law makes no sense whatsoever. "I can own my current guns, but I cannot buy any new guns."
 
In ky you can't get a ccdw license with a recent DUI conviction. I don't recall the details now.
This is also true in Michigan. You cannot have had a misdemeanor DUI within the past three years, or two DUIs in the past eight years in order to receive a Michigan CPL. If you have a CPL and receive a DUI, your CPL is suspended for three years. If it is your second DUI within eight years, your CPL is revoked for eight years.
 
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Actually it is:
mistake
noun
1. an act or judgement that is misguided or wrong

Driving under the influence of anything that impairs one's ability is an error or mistake. It could be a scrip med that you have a reaction to, it isn't just about alcohol or illegal narcotics. While you should get the driving penalty, IMO it should not preclude you from obtaining a firearm


It’s a choice. And one that puts you and others at risk of death. It is negligence, not a mistake.
 
A single DUI has nothing do w/ a propensity to violence -- which ought to the be the Flag.
A single DUI could also simply be two glasses of wine during dinner w/ your wife -- no effective loss of motor/judgement control .. just-luck-of-the-draw and a chemical test output
So ... IMHO... this is solution to something having nothing to do w/ the objective prohibition -- just "feel good"

One DUI ... there but for the Grace of God.
Two DUIs ... different matter. Goes to pattern.

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From the Tennessee Firearms Association on the "Governor's Bill" that triggered this interpretation from TICS,
https://tennesseefirearms.com/2021/...aw-and-recommends-getting-the-permit-instead/
What are these conditions that must be satisfied in order to avoid being charged with the crime of carrying a handgun with the intent to go armed?
  • The person must be at least 21 years old (or for those in the military or honorably discharged from the military, at least 18 years old) (Note that a federal lawsuit has already been filed which asserts that the differential treatment of 18-20 year olds is a federal civil rights violation, see, Bassett v. Slatery);
  • The person must “lawfully” possess a “handgun” (you cannot carry a rifle, shotgun or a handgun with a barrel of 12 inches or more, see TCA § 39-11-106(a)(18), under the Governor’s law);
  • The person must be “in a place where the person is lawfully present” – the Legislative record is unclear on what this element is intended to accomplish other than being a basis for some category of criminal charge;
  • The person has never been convicted of the misdemeanor crime of stalking under TCA § 39-17-315 (note that this is a nonviolent misdemeanor in Tennessee and sets a precedent for restricting 2nd Amendment rights based on other nonviolent crimes);
  • The person has not had one or more DUI’s in the last 5 years;
  • The person has not had two or more DUI’s in the last 10 years;
  • The person has never been “adjudicated as a mental defective, judicially committed to or hospitalized in a mental institution pursuant to title 33, or had a court appoint a conservator for the person by reason of a mental defect”; and
  • The person is not otherwise prohibited from possessing a firearm by 18 U.S.C. § 922(g) as it existed on January 1, 2021.

All of these conditions must be met for the exception to apply. An officer could stop a person and detain them until the officer runs one or more background checks to determined if each of these conditions are met.
 
Outstanding!

This morning an email was sent from TBI regarding Public Chapter 108 and how its passage impacts purchase prohibitors specific to DUI’s. Upon further research and review, we ask that you disregard that email as an error. I greatly appreciate your feedback and bringing this to our attention. We apologize for any confusion this has caused and look forward to our continued partnership.
Director David Rausch

Sandi Duncan
CJIS Manager – TICS Unit
Tennessee Bureau of Investigation
901 R.S. Gass Blvd.
Nashville, TN. 37216
Office hours Mon-Fri. 8:00 am – 4:00 pm
 
It all boils down to being a responsible drinker and gun owner.

Not a problem for me. I stopped drinking a long time ago, there are lock boxes in both vehicles. If the wife has a drink her gun goes in the lock box and I drive.

I agree 110% with you on this. Personal responsibility is a big deal IMHO. If I drink I do not drive. Not even after one drink.
A taxi is a simple solution to the problem. To bad those who drink to excess and drive don`t use that option more often
 
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