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Riomouse911

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Even though I carry a Glock product every day at work, I don’t often shoot a Glock when I recreate at the local indoor range every couple of weeks or so. I’ll bring along a Ruger .22 auto, a S&W K-frame revolver or three, maybe a Ruger single action or a .22 rifle, etc.

However, the reviews I’ve read on the Glock 44 .22 LR pistol made it intriguing enough for me to locate one at s store up north and buy it. It was shipped to my FFL, I waited the 10 days, and I picked it up on Wednesday.

Besides being the same size as the Glock 19, but of course much lighter, the 44 uses the same fire control springs that the centerfire Glocks do. I carried this Gen 3 Glock 19 for several years, shooting thousands of rounds through it in bi-weekly tactical team training and at other range trips. We upgraded several years ago to newer gen Glocks, so I bought the gun and it has been living a retired life in my safe. (I noticed the tritium sights have dimmed to nothingness, this gun really is kind of neglected. :()

I recently resprung the old Glock 19 with a Wolff 5.0 lb striker spring and a reduced power safety plunger spring, so I resprung the Glock 44 with the same kit when I did the initial cleaning on Thursday night. On Friday morning I took them both to the range to see if the 44 will be a good understudy for the 19 or not.

At ten yards shooting 2-handed, the first ten shots with the Glock 44 using bulk Aguila 36 gr HP Super Extra were followed right away by ten from the well-used 19 using Win Ranger 115 gr JHP.

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I pulled the target in, and saw a couple went high with the 44, but that was all me. I took this pic, then sent it back out for 10 more from both guns.

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I didn’t think this was too bad a result for 40 shots from two guns; one I just bought and hadn’t shot before and one I haven’t shot in several years. I’d say that the .22 caliber Glock 44 works pretty darn well as a practice and lower cost option for mid-sized Glocks like the 19, 23, 32, etc. Like the Colt Ace and other .22 caliber kits for larger guns the same level of recoil isn’t there, but the shape, function, holster selection, etc. is a dead ringer. :)

Stay safe.
 
NIGHTLORD40K said:
The 44 is the first and only Glock I might talk myself into someday. Just gotta learn to embrace that #polymerlife, lol.

Glad you like it. :)
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Ya, the exterior of the slide is polymer with metal rails on the bottom and a metal internal structure. I still think it’s a bit cheesy, but I guess it would have to be zamac or some other lightweight alloy to allow the .22 LR to function.

I do wish it didn’t have the front gripping rails, and the factory Mags were 15 rounds instead of 10, but I can live with those minor issues.

It even comes with the grip adapters the other Glocks do. I like the stock feel. But those of you who like the other grip options can make the 44 feel like the gun you prefer.

Stay safe.
 
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With a huge fraction of muggings right when people open their car door doing errands etc, or step from a car at home (thugs waiting in bushes etc),

.....how often do any of you guys do simulated training for these scenarios?

How do concerns about getting the “tightest Group” help?
 
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Ignition Override said:
With a huge fraction of muggings right when people open their car door doing errands etc, or step from a car at home (thugs waiting in bushes etc),

.....how often do any of you guys do simulated training for these scenarios?

How do concerns about getting the “tightest Group” help?
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Sure do.

But I am extremely lucky to have access to a cadre of instructors and a range that 99 percent of you don’t have. It lets me drive a vehicle on there and shoot from the seat, run take cover and shoot from the holster, the hip, prone, on my back; rifle, handgun, subgun, whatever. Rapid fire? Have at it. Full auto? No problems. Heck, do you need a low pass by a helicopter while shooting in pitch blackness? Place a call to aero, tape those targets down and stand by. (I’m in the black jacket and tan pants directly under the skid.) I am lucky that I do have these options and I sincerely thank my employers for proving these opportunities to me during 13+ years of tactical team training and experience during my 30 years on (so far).

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(The prop wash was so strong that everyone’s targets eventually blew away and all our empty mags ended up blown into the backstop. Took a bit of time to sort those out at midnight ;).)

Im not “Tactical Ted the Gun God” by any means... I’m human just like we all are. I flinch when I shouldn’t, I’ll sometimes yank the trigger knowing better, I even anticipate shots and compensate before the firing pin can strike the primer. But I try to overcome these things by practicing the basics and working to alleviate as many flaws as I can.

You asked what do good groups show?

A good grasp of the fundamentals.

Proper stance, proper grip, proper presentation and sight picture ( if the sights are even used), solid trigger control and even good follow-through post-firing, etc. they all work together. When done right they will allow you to put your bullets where you want them to go.

These are just as important at 25 yards as they are at 3, as poor fundamentals and the ensuing poor results are much more pronounced at 25 than they are at 3. Yet, at nine feet it still takes good fundamentals to keep bullets going where you want them rather than missing the threat and heading down the street or through living room walls where uninvolved people are.

So, a solid grasp of shooting fundamentals is certainly important on the slow range where a series of ever smaller rings gives you a score... but they’re even more important when the chips are down and you now have less than a second or two to decide whether to draw and fire or not. But you can’t rationally expect good outcomes if faced with imminent danger without learning how to properly shoot effective groups. :)

I truly pray we all never have to find out just how good we are when a knife is waived is in our face by some hoodlum six feet away. But until then, I hope we all keep learning to do it the best we can... and have a little fun doing it along the way. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
I'm glad the Glock is working out for you! I would love to have one but not until I move away from my current state.

In terms of shooting the tightest group and that being helping when the chips are down, I thankfully have never been in that kind of situation.

I do feel that someone who practices often is better off than the person who doesn't. That would include shooting from different stances and situations as well as refining accuracy.

In my younger days I worked on a good sized ranch in Texas. In addition to all of our ranch duties we we expected to complete each day we were also expected to control predators, dogs, and varmints. We shot daily and often started the mornings by shooting for group size to determine who would throw the hay bails and spread the cake. Hands down the folks who shot small groups made more hits when shooting at predators and varmints.

Someone once said that you can't miss fast enough to win a gunfight and I think this applies to hunting as well. For me accuracy builds confidence and confidence contributes to more hits. I will always start with some slow, aimed fire to confirm zero and then move on to other types of practice.

Having a gun that is similar to your duty/carry gun and allows more practice is a good thing in my eyes.

Enjoy that Glock!
 
Sounds like my family’s old ranch between Kerrville and Bandera... except we didn’t shoot many critters (Maybe 2 or 3 feral dogs, all during lambing season over the years)... but I threw a lot of hay bales and dropped many a mineral / salt block on the pasture. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
Ignition Override said:
How do concerns about getting the “tightest Group” help
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I dont have access to the instructors or training facilities that @Riomouse911 has....but finding out if I'm capable of shooting solid groups with a particular gun is step #1.

If I can't shoot it accurately, consistently while standing still and taking my time, I'm not predisposed to believe I'll be able to shoot it accurately any other time.

BTW, that could be the only Glock I'd have any interest in owning.
 
Riomouse911 said:
Sure do.

But I am extremely lucky to have access to a cadre of instructors and a range that 99 percent of you don’t have. It lets me drive a vehicle on there and shoot from the seat, run take cover and shoot from the holster, the hip, prone, on my back; rifle, handgun, subgun, whatever. Rapid fire? Have at it. Full auto? No problems. Heck, do you need a low pass by a helicopter while shooting in pitch blackness? Place a call to aero, tape those targets down and stand by. (I’m in the black jacket and tan pants directly under the skid.) I am lucky that I do have these options and I sincerely thank my employers for proving these opportunities to me during 13+ years of tactical team training and experience during my 30 years on (so far).

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(The prop wash was so strong that everyone’s targets eventually blew away and all our empty mags ended up blown into the backstop. Took a bit of time to sort those out at midnight ;).)

Im not “Tactical Ted the Gun God” by any means... I’m human just like we all are. I flinch when I shouldn’t, I’ll sometimes yank the trigger knowing better, I even anticipate shots and compensate before the firing pin can strike the primer. But I try to overcome these things by practicing the basics and working to alleviate as many flaws as I can.

You asked what do good groups show?

A good grasp of the fundamentals.

Proper stance, proper grip, proper presentation and sight picture ( if the sights are even used), solid trigger control and even good follow-through post-firing, etc. they all work together. When done right they will allow you to put your bullets where you want them to go.

These are just as important at 25 yards as they are at 3, as poor fundamentals and the ensuing poor results are much more pronounced at 25 than they are at 3. Yet, at nine feet it still takes good fundamentals to keep bullets going where you want them rather than missing the threat and heading down the street or through living room walls where uninvolved people are.

So, a solid grasp of shooting fundamentals is certainly important on the slow range where a series of ever smaller rings gives you a score... but they’re even more important when the chips are down and you now have less than a second or two to decide whether to draw and fire or not. But you can’t rationally expect good outcomes if faced with imminent danger without learning how to properly shoot effective groups. :)

I truly pray we all never have to find out just how good we are when a knife is waived is in our face by some hoodlum six feet away. But until then, I hope we all keep learning to do it the best we can... and have a little fun doing it along the way. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
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Thanks! That's some great insight. Thanks for sharing it.
 
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