AR 15 style rifle advice

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I was primarily a handgun shooter until fairly recently. I have some friends who were into ARs and suppressors who led me onto the dark path.

I’ve bought and built several AR variants in .223/5.56, .223 Wylde, .300 Blackout, 9mm and even .22 LR.

Pistol caliber carbines were all the rage a couple of years ago. It seems like everyone started with 9mm ARs, some of which worked and some that didn’t. There are other carbines on the market that arguably are better suited to the 9mm round but of course the selling point of the AR is modularity.

I don’t like the ARs as much as I thought I would. They are OK. Sort of like the various polymer framed striker fired pistols. Objectively they have lots of advantages. Subjectively, they are OK. I enjoy my revolvers and my 1911 more. Maybe I am getting old.

I started shooting cowboy action about 12 years ago. We use pistol caliber lever action and slide action rifles in that game. I really enjoy shooting those rifles and they can be very effective with a little practice.
 
I tend to agree with @MistWolf and @CapnMac posts.

For whatever my additional insight is worth, I’ve found a 16” AR in 5.56 with plastic handguards, aimpoint, and the old school front site base to do everything I need a general purpose carbine for at the distances I shoot.

Point of reference, my area has hills and pine thickets for miles and miles and miles. 300 yards is about the furthest possible shot, with inside 200 yards being more likely by a wide margin.

As for brands. I bought my bcm rifles about 10 years ago. They’ve worked well and one is a designated beater with several thousands of rounds in at this point (not sure how many, I don’t keep logs). Not sure on current pricing, but can recommend them based on my experience with them.
 
I have put together a couple Del-Ton kit rifles and they are good quality a accurate. I posted pics a few weeks ago. But name brands are best and I would recommend 16 a carbine in 5,56 to start with. You can always get a different upper.
 
Normally I would recommend the LaRue Ultimate Upper Kit but they are so far behind they quit taking orders.
 
I would recommend any decent $800 basic carbine in 5.56. There are tons of options. You really need to familiarize yourself with the platform and decide what you want the rifle to do before you start down the rabbit hole.
 
Have a bunch of revolvers and pistol's that i shoot regularly and reload for. I don't have any long guns now except for my scatter gun. I'm looking for a AR style piece for target shooting and plinking and mostly home defense. I already load for 9MM, 45ACP, 45 COLT, 357=38 SP.
There are so many choices out there i don't know where to begin. I would like to choose for the calibers i load already but that's not written in stone. I'm looking in the price range of $1,000 Any input would be greatly appreciated. Howie

The prices have been slowly dropping and are almost back to pre-rona days. Even with a little higher pricing you should be able to find plenty of option in your price range. As all has said it will just come down to what you want for your disatances and all else. Colt, Rugar, Aroe, PSA and more are all gonna be good choices. Of those on the lower end may be the PSA`s. Ive got 3 and have had know issues from PSA on mine use for them. This last one here is a complete upper and a complete lower (it`s usually cheaper to buy seperate) and just pinned together for $630 shipped. Add in all the extras you want for your need and the price can get as high as you want to pay.
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As stated in my post, it really doesn't matter. Any caliber is acceptable.

But, different cartridges do different things. An AR in 5.56 will reach out 4X further than a pistol.

First thing to decide is exactly how far out you expect this "rifle" to reach, and what kind of target. Plinking is fine, but a live target - deer or human - needs to reach at least 250 yards. No pistol cartridge will do that ethically for game, which needs to deliver enough power downrange to stop them so they can't run off wounded and get lost.

Basically, 5.56 at the minimum which will do. Next, some way to aim accurately that far, which will lead to either extensive open range practice out past 200m or, an optic.The latter works faster more accurately, the upper will need a rail to mount it. That makes it a flat top upper. While a lot of folks suggest a railed handguard is a good thing, nope, it's mostly looks, as there is no way to bridge an optic from upper to handguard that will prevent damaging the optic, and if it's out there completely, then any barrel movement would move the optic. If you free float it - a different handguard not attached to the barrel, then any pressure from the sling attached will move the point of aim, and if you attach the sling to the barrel, you move the point of impact.

So, get a comfortable handguard and don't bother with a long rail on top, it causes more trouble than its worth. A no rail handguard which can take a short rail for a ;bipod or light is ok - in MO, not lights are allowed during hunting season. YMMV. That leaves a flat top with rail on it and smoother handguard of your choice with the option later to add something on.

Not forgetting the barrel, a standard military barrel is 2MOA and they are tested for acceptance. If more accuracy is wanted then a precision barrel should be researched, those can shoot as small as .50 MOA, which is a half inch group at 100m. For the most part, hunting or human, you would be aiming at an 18 inch circle which is center of mass, and most shots in that region will usually stop as internal organs are hit which cause enough bleeding to ut them down.

We all pay for the most accuracy we can afford, but with game or humans, it doesn't take as much as it would to win a competitive match. The point of competition is to make it harder, thus separating those with skills into tiers of expertise. The reality is that some shooters buy all the accuracy they can, yet, they really aren't that good. They can't shoot to the level of the gun. As an upper tier barrel for an AR will run over $400 and some past $700. They are also short lived when used in the rarefied upper ranks, after a few thousand shots it can be seen to slowly lose accuracy, what was a .25 barrel on a good day slips toward .50 and gets replaced. I wish more could come my way, they would be great hunting barrels as long as I accept that I am the only reason I missed.

Note we haven't even got to the lower yet, as ammo is the next thing which controlls accuracy. What's nice about 5.56 is that you can shoot cheap steel cased ammo 7.99 a box and a lot of it in an afternoon banging away at some larger targets, or you can buy $50 a box target ammo expecting to see your groups improving after a year's practice. But - the barrel has to be capable. Commodity barrels rarely are better than 1 MOA.

The lower? For the most part you buy a rollmark. All a lower does is hold the trigger parts, house the magazine, lets your hand rest on the grip, and hold it to your shoulder to sight in better and steady it. Recoil isn't even a thing with 5.56, soldiers in Basic were shown how to trainers would shoot them with a metal buttstock against their chin. It rarely leaves any mark.

There is a lot of brouhaha about lowers, features, options, quality, etc. If the mag goes in and stays until you push the button, then it drops out, its working. If you rotate your safety and it fires when its supposed to, and won't when it shouldn't, it's working. If the stock stays attached and the grip doesn't fall off, it's working, More than that and somebody is trying to sell you something, in this market it's usually style or some kind of ambidextrous control that only the ambidextrous find useful. If you aren't, don't bother.

Slings are an accessory which help you carry your rifle, or sight it will less wobble, but they are also snagmasters in heavy brush and will bend the point of aim away from the point of impact when improperly used. Buyer be aware. The Infantry School in the 1980's just had us take them off to avoid all the problems.

So, choose how far you want to shoot, what kind of target, then what cartridge, how good a barrel, what sighting aid you prefer - the rest is a lot of eyewash, which most of the AR fan club will argue to kingdom come. But that is what the upper tier shooters will say, and I listen to them. I did a bit of that in high school, then went Infantry, and the precision target discipline really has nothing to do with combat or hunting at all. Be careful of who tries to insist it's all the same thing when it's defintely not.

What range, what target? Tell us that, we can tell you what works for what you want, and save you some money in the process.
 
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