I have a Dillon 650 with pretty much free replacement parts forever so I don't worry about that at least.
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Everybody focuses on “cost”. I only spoke to longevity. All machines need maintenance, nothing lasts forever.
Even that charge is minimal and includes any parts that need replacing. I believe it is currently $77.95 and includes return shipping. The only point I am making is that even with a ton of use a Dillon press is extremely inexpensive to keep running once you have paid for it.
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Okey dokey so a press lasts forever. Gotcha
It’s tough going right now, no doubt
This is something akin to waiting for gasoline prices to drop back down to 35 cents per gallon. You may need to look for a new hobby if you think they’re going to drop primer prices back to $25 per brick. That’s not going to happen imo.
When the plandemic first started, I did find a brick of SRP at cabelas for (then normal) $35 per brick, but that was the last I saw of that. Cabelas retail primers are now $75 per brick, so I buy them when I find them which is about every other week. I no longer buy primers from online sellers as I just gave up looking there as they were never in stock. Kentucky gun company sells primers in their retail store for a going rate of $160 per brick. Now those can just sit, but they are selling there at that price.
Cost of everything is increasing, so $75 per brick is not unreasonable to the inflation rate and demand. IMO, Holding out for lower primer prices just means go find a new hobby.
Don't speak too soon, folks were saying the same thing the last time around, but when things caught up, prices came back to normal, then sales, plenty of us here bought primers at 420 per K then. Don't give up, hang in there, don't quit on us. If everyone thought this way, you could bet they would listen and prices would never come down.
Practice "glass half full", instead of "glass half empty'.
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Whatever floats your boat. However, my (reloading) shelves (glass) are not half empty. Everyone has their “willing to pay” price, be it real estate, guns, ammo, cars or in this case reloading components. The primer price may come down some, but I doubt it will be what you expect as the cost of everything is going upward.
Practice "glass half full", instead of "glass half empty'.
[/QUOTE]Whatever floats your boat. However, my (reloading) shelves (glass) are not half empty. Everyone has their “willing to pay” price, be it real estate, guns, ammo, cars or in this case reloading components. The primer price may come down some, but I doubt it will be what you expect as the cost of everything is going upward.
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No...not all around here are well equipped. I'm just getting back into it after a forty year hiatus. I had a chance a few years ago to buy a complete Dillion 650 setup with 5 sets dies and a lot of components for a crazy low price from a friend, but I had to pass. It's a long story, and don't think I'm happy about it. But I did load up on cheap commercial ammo and I'm not really needing to reload, but now, things are such that I want to reload and can start getting into it. I'm not really jumping in deep at first, just buying gear and components slowly as prices and availability make sense.
As for prorating the equipment investment, I get that over a few decades and thousands of rounds, the equipment is paid for several times over. That's great, and I may or may not get there myself. I'm buying the equipment for a hobby and to pass the skill and equipment on to my kids and grandkids. I'll be loading mostly revolver and rifle cartridges.
So yes, lots of guys with lots of years and thousands of rounds on this board, but there are guys like me who are just getting into it. The folks bragging about having components on hand to load tens of thousands of rounds may be good today, but I doubt they started out that way. We'll get there at some point, assuming the current powers don't legislate the industry out of existence.
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The glass is always full; the air:liquid proportion changes is all.Don't speak too soon, folks were saying the same thing the last time around, but when things caught up, prices came back to normal, then sales, plenty of us here bought primers at 420 per K then. Don't give up, hang in there, don't quit on us. If everyone thought this way, you could bet they would listen and prices would never come down.
Practice "glass half full", instead of "glass half empty'.
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My glass is 3/4 so I don’t need to pay $75 per K……yet.
Like some have said, we learned from the last go round and stocked up when prices were low. If you need primers, knock yourself out at whatever you want to pay. I’ll patiently wait for prices to fall.
Like some have said, we learned from the last go round and stocked up when prices were low. If you need primers, knock yourself out at whatever you want to pay. I’ll patiently wait for prices to fall.
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At my age cost is no object. I’m not saying I’m wealthy just that if I want to shoot (and after all that’s the only reason for doing all of this) I will pay what’s necessary to do so.
Not enough years left to wait for prices to come down to some better level. Whatever that means. When I run out of my current stash of components, I’ll either buy new at the going price or factory ammo at its going price. Whichever is most conveniently available will be the deciding factor.
There! I feel better now!
Not enough years left to wait for prices to come down to some better level. Whatever that means. When I run out of my current stash of components, I’ll either buy new at the going price or factory ammo at its going price. Whichever is most conveniently available will be the deciding factor.
There! I feel better now!
No doubt everything is more expensive, and will get worse, just like to stay positive.
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Winchester announced a 15% increase in primer prices.
If it settles to ready availability at 50% more than BC, I will think we are doing pretty well.
But the last I bought BC they were paying rebates, so who knows.
If it settles to ready availability at 50% more than BC, I will think we are doing pretty well.
But the last I bought BC they were paying rebates, so who knows.
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Try to hang in there and wait a bit for better prices. As some one said earlier Practice Patience! It will be our best friend!
Optimism never hurt any of us!
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Don't speak too soon, folks were saying the same thing the last time around, but when things caught up, prices came back to normal, then sales, plenty of us here bought primers at 420 per K then. Don't give up, hang in there, don't quit on us. If everyone thought this way, you could bet they would listen and prices would never come down.
Practice "glass half full", instead of "glass half empty'.
I have a lot of ammo books, manuals, stuff that most reloaders do not fool with. One is an Ammo Encyclopedia ... 6th Edition dated back to 2017 I think it was. Anyways, I was out in the man cave today doing some reading and decided to pull it off the shelf for some reason .... first few hundred pages are nothing but history of ammo and reloading with a lot of trending stuff mixed-in.
So I am reading this one chapter that didn't seem too important to me back when I bought the book in 2017 ... but it sure does today. It was about the historical record of ammo shortages, what caused some of them, how long they last, etc. Now, this book, this 6th Edition, went to the presses in 2016 just before the election as we were coming out of the Obama induced shortage when everyone was worried that Hillary was about to be elected. Had Trump not been elected we would have already been suffering a continued and deep ammo and components shortage.
Instead, things were simply delayed.
I can take a picture of some of the pages but ... we should have seen this current shortage coming and it is not going to end anytime soon nor is it ever likely to return to any semblance of pre-covid normalcy. This will be the longest and deepest shortage ever by the time all is said and done.
Why?
Because the writers proved it in the book ... same publishing company that does the Blue Book stuff. They're big into data.
Every single shortage for 300 years was worse and longer than the one before it. Prices never go back to where they were.
It's historical fact, there is a record. And it has as much to-do with big corporations making money in times of crisises as it has to-do with anti 2Aers and slimy politicians.
This shortage is the new norm.
Until I read that chapter I had no idea how many employees were laid-off or let go after Trump was elected and the panic buying stopped. Ammo manufacturers let 1000s go. Not to mention issues with production facilities that need to be upgraded still running 100 year old machines ... although Vista and Federal both are spending millions on their facility upgrades and upfittings.
I had no idea that Obama played games with Europeans ammo manufacturers .... basically the same thing Biden is doing.
Why? To drive those European manufacturers out of business because their main market, 75% of their business, was selling ammo to the states. The Obama and Biden administrations were/are in cahoots with the anti-2A socialists and marxists in Europe.
The chapter is a heckuva read. Heckuva book overall. Always something new and prohetic every time I open it.
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