NY Attorney General Asks For More Subpoenas

2012:

“I cannot bear to read many of the comments here. So many seem to have given up the fight before the first battle of whats going to likely be a long war. People advocating government sanctioned mental exams and "agents" stopping by your house unannounced to see if your guns are properly secured? Are you people SERIOUS?”

2021:

“Every dollar they spend in court fights against Leticia James is a dollar that could be spent filing more 2a lawsuits and funding 2a”

Two posts from two different decades on this forum.

Our memories are short. The fact this thread even exists, is because a target of opportunity is being exploited by Bloomberg, and the rest of his ilk, via their media and backdoor legal-political connections and tools, of which the NYAG is one of those tools. Of COURSE she’s got an agenda. Absolutely the ONLY reason she’s going after the NRA, and now, anyone associated with them, is because she, along with the coalition of Anti’s, have an agenda. They are executing their “long war”, right under our noses.

And we’re talking about the weather.

WHICH organization will he/she them (an organized movement exterior to one state) go after next? FPC? GOA? SAF?

We can debate the which, but not the if. THEY R NOT DONE , if & when they destroy the NRA.

Everyone says withholding $ to NRA, donating same monies to FPC (as an example) then? Hmm?

kidneyboy said:

and while you guys focus on Wayne the organization will be taken apart. The left can't attack the NRA effectively. They have been trying that for half a century without success. So instead of going after the organization they go after a personality. A tactic that's worked in politics forever and, judging by some of the responses above it works here.

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But the left is attacking the NRA effectively because of WLP's leadership.

If a football team has 2 losing seasons you don't fire the players, you fire the coach. If a company like Exxon loses money 2 years running, you don't fire the employees, you fire the CEO. If an army continually loses battles you don't replace the troops, you replace commander. In a situation like the NRA, the org is set up in a way that the head can't be fired or removed. It's sad that the only way to get an org like the NRA to effectively change it's leadership is to starve it into submission. It's dying a slow death because it fails to change.

CoalTrain49 said:

If a football team has 2 losing seasons you don't fire the players, you fire the coach. If a company like Exxon loses money 2 years running, you don't fire the employees, you fire the CEO. In a situation like the NRA, the org is set up in a way that the head can't be fired or removed. It's sad that the only way to get an org like the NRA to effectively change it's leadership is to starve it into submission. It's dying a slow death because it fails to change.

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This is a good example of not seeing the forrest for the trees. The naivete in posts like this is sad to see. While you try and starve them into submission the left will litigate them out of existence. As I said, a tactic that has worked in politics forever.
Keep looking at the squirrel that the left directed you to look at, that would be Wayne. Stop looking at what the NRA actually does. If that's what you are doing the left has already won.

CoalTrain49 said:

But the left is attacking the NRA effectively because of WLP's leadership.

If a football team has 2 losing seasons you don't fire the players, you fire the coach. If a company like Exxon loses money 2 years running, you don't fire the employees, you fire the CEO. If an army continually loses battles you don't replace the troops, you replace commander. In a situation like the NRA, the org is set up in a way that the head can't be fired or removed. It's sad that the only way to get an org like the NRA to effectively change it's leadership is to starve it into submission. It's dying a slow death because it fails to change.

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I apologize for the length - I kinda got carried away....
My understanding of your posts is that you want to see change within NRA but that you may not be able to see/devise a way to do so. What then happens, whether intentional or not, is that you end up railing about WLP and your desire to starve NRA to death and to attempt to persuade others to follow you in your quest to destroy NRA with like tactics. I believe your intentions to be on the side of 'doing the right thing even when it hurts' - kind of like the concept of "tough love". A false dichotomy, IMHO.
All is not lost, though! I admire your tenacity and share your desire to see change at the top of the NRA power structure. I believe you can accomplish your goal without killing the goose that laid the golden egg. The NRA need not be destroyed to make the necessary changes.What needs to be done in order to make these changes is a membership that is not willing to let things continue as they are.
YOUR MISSION, should you decide to accept it, is to organize the the membership at large of the NRA to support your views and your perceived need for the changes. In order to do this, you MUST have clear and succinct statements backed up with documentation of:
1) what is in need of change;
2) a proposal of changes that need be effected to right the good ship NRA;
3) a clear, unmuddied letter to ALL members of NRA that illustrates your proposal in an unoffensive yet persuasive manner with a call to action that energizes the reader/member to join your effort to initiate this change;
4) you must be willing to lead tirelessly, willing to field phone calls, answer letters, emails and similar communications from NRA members (and potential members) and press - day in and day out - putting your reputation and money at risk.
If you are not willing to put yourself out there, very few will be willing to follow, and you are wasting your time and everyone else's, too. To spew bitterness and dissent without purpose is purely destructive and helpful only to those that wish the complete elimination of our 2nd Amendment rights, the NRA as a symbol of America's 2nd Amendment protector and the NRA as a political power supportive of the 2nd Amendment.

I ask that you accept YOUR MISSION and channel your energies into supporting the NRA Membership and consider initiating a campaign to bring all of the members together and make every one of their voices heard by the NRA directors. I think there is a number of us here on THR that will support such a mission and may even activly enlist in the effort to make it happen. This mission needs a name that indentifies what it is about . Something along the lines of "NRA Membership United for Change", or some such thing. You may or may not want to form a non-profit.I can see a non-profit with a Go-Fund-Me (or similar) page getting some attention.
I hope this helps.

kidneyboy said:

This is a good example of not seeing the forrest for the trees. The naivete in posts like this is sad to see. While you try and starve them into submission the left will litigate them out of existence. As I said, a tactic that has worked in politics forever.
Keep looking at the squirrel that the left directed you to look at, that would be Wayne. Stop looking at what the NRA actually does. If that's what you are doing the left has already won.

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That’s right. If it wasn’t WLP, it would be something or someone else. The analogies aren’t accurate because in those analogies, no one is trying to wipe those organizations (Exxon or the NFL) out of existence.

alsaqr said:

Yep, it don't matter to you that the NRA is run by a bunch of scoundrels, thieves and liars.

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I believe saints are in short supply this season.....

alsaqr said:

Malarky!!!

Yep, it don't matter to you that the NRA is run by a bunch of scoundrels, thieves and liars.

"Because the only thing that matters to me, in this situation, is the protection of our 2A rights in a dirty DC power hungry pool of would be tyrants. So if it takes come corruption and dirty dealing, which is how anything gets done (or not done, in the case of crappy legislation) in DC, I don’t care. Just get the job done."

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Yup. It bears repeating.

Nobody is a saint.

Nobody.

No matter how much someone wants to get on their high horse about moral purity.

When a slave is set free, or a victim of oppression is liberated, not a ONE of them cares about the morals of their liberators.

We’re not talking capital offenses here, and, yeah, if anyone thinks that the targeting of the organization and WLP is anything but agenda driven, they are dreaming.

They said they were going to do it, and they are doing it.

If the leadership can be cleaned up, then good. But it won’t stop the targeting. We act like there is some kind of “sense of fair play” going on here. Like, if we appease them by acquiescing and reacting to their machinations, then it will somehow be better. That’s nonsense. That whole “fair play” thing is ridiculous in a war, which is what is being waged against us. We refuse to see it, and refuse to not play by their rules.

We’ll just talk about the weather.

kidneyboy said:

So instead of going after the organization they go after a personality.

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Poper said:

is to organize the the membership at large of the NRA to support your views and your perceived need for the changes.

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Well, let's look at this a bit more closely, dispassionately.

WLP has been the Executive President of the NRA for the forty years I have been a member. The position of Executive President is not elected, it's appointed. And the appointers are an Executive Committee which is not much populated by the elected Board of Directors. So, membership, especially rank-and-file, have almost no ability to make changes to the executive leadership of the NRA. The rank-and-file do not even have much ability to elect a BoD that can make the changes. Which is why WLP has held the job for four decades. He's also been instrumental in the changes that have cemented him in his position.

Historically, WLP has not been that ardent a supporter of RKBA. There are many assertions that, before the NRA, WLP had been a lobbyist for "anti" groups, and joined NRA for he pay. The value of those assertions can be debated, probably not here, but the fact that they exist, and from credible sources, is worthy of note. So, at best, WLP might be described as a "Fudd."

As Chief Executives go, WLP is a well-known Luddite. All emails to him are read by someone else and printed out for him to read. He's not a 5 day a week CEO, but more of a 3 day week of 9 to 3 days, and leaving he office and being out of communications with little or no explanation.

Now, add to this he confusion of no-bid contracts for advertising and marketing deals, he carry insurance debacle, hen he numerous reports of extensive "vacations" with family members , and well beyond the sort of things that Fortune 250 CEOs engage in.

If the NRA is to be run, for generations, by a disinterested lawyer, I'd much rather it was Dick Heller than WLP--sadly, that's no an option.

In my opinion, WLP has more than earned criminal investigation into use of funds and management of NRA monies. Sadly, that investigation has become inseparable from a political witch hunt to dissolve an organization serving 6-7 million rank-and-file members. An organization that provides direct support and training for every single State in the Union, virtually ever LE agency, every State Wildlife management agency, and on and on. Politics are an ugly beast that cares not what it ruins as long as it "wins."

So, there are two problems here. WLP whether a failed person from the start, or one who gave into the endless temptations of avarice and politics, is now entangled in the political destruction of the NRA.

It is possible to be two things at once--being "anti" WLP is not being "anti" NRA. If at all possible the organization ought be preserved and the guilty parties at the top culled. But, that's not in my hands. And, that is my number one frustration. There have been many calls to have a No Confidence vote regarding WLP among membership (even among the BoD). None of those have suceeded; and even if they did, they would not affect the EP per the Bylaws.

CapnMac said:

Well, let's look at this a bit more closely, dispassionately.

WLP has been the Executive President of the NRA for the forty years I have been a member. The position of Executive President is not elected, it's appointed. And the appointers are an Executive Committee which is not much populated by the elected Board of Directors. So, membership, especially rank-and-file, have almost no ability to make changes to the executive leadership of the NRA. The rank-and-file do not even have much ability to elect a BoD that can make the changes. Which is why WLP has held the job for four decades. He's also been instrumental in the changes that have cemented him in his position.

Historically, WLP has not been that ardent a supporter of RKBA. There are many assertions that, before the NRA, WLP had been a lobbyist for "anti" groups, and joined NRA for he pay. The value of those assertions can be debated, probably not here, but the fact that they exist, and from credible sources, is worthy of note. So, at best, WLP might be described as a "Fudd."

As Chief Executives go, WLP is a well-known Luddite. All emails to him are read by someone else and printed out for him to read. He's not a 5 day a week CEO, but more of a 3 day week of 9 to 3 days, and leaving he office and being out of communications with little or no explanation.

Now, add to this he confusion of no-bid contracts for advertising and marketing deals, he carry insurance debacle, hen he numerous reports of extensive "vacations" with family members , and well beyond the sort of things that Fortune 250 CEOs engage in.

If the NRA is to be run, for generations, by a disinterested lawyer, I'd much rather it was Dick Heller than WLP--sadly, that's no an option.

In my opinion, WLP has more than earned criminal investigation into use of funds and management of NRA monies. Sadly, that investigation has become inseparable from a political witch hunt to dissolve an organization serving 6-7 million rank-and-file members. An organization that provides direct support and training for every single State in the Union, virtually ever LE agency, every State Wildlife management agency, and on and on. Politics are an ugly beast that cares not what it ruins as long as it "wins."

So, there are two problems here. WLP whether a failed person from the start, or one who gave into the endless temptations of avarice and politics, is now entangled in the political destruction of the NRA.

It is possible to be two things at once--being "anti" WLP is not being "anti" NRA. If at all possible the organization ought be preserved and the guilty parties at the top culled. But, that's not in my hands. And, that is my number one frustration. There have been many calls to have a No Confidence vote regarding WLP among membership (even among the BoD). None of those have suceeded; and even if they did, they would not affect the EP per the Bylaws.

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I appreciate this post very much.
My appreciation of the NRA at large and its missions and contributions to the 2nd Amendment and the shooting sports is vested in my Life Membership. WLP must be held accountable for any of his misdeeds while Execcutive Vice-President of NRA, no question. At the same time, NRA must not be punished/destroyed because of his misdeeds.
I believe the BoD of NRA need to feel the heat from the membership. If they (the membership) are unioted in their passion for 2A and their displeasure (putting it mildly) over the performance of WLP, maybe the BoD will take some action. Could they "fire" him through a no-confidence vote? Could they shut off his money - both his expense account(s) and his salary?
The membership must do their part and make their feelings heard and leadership musty respond appropriately. Doing nothing is a path to destruction. Loss of the NRA is not an option, IMHO, because the educational and training programs as well as the political clout, are things that cannot be readily duplicated or recreated elsewhere.

gifbohane said:

Funny that you would bring up the NRA and Mr. La Pierre. Just this morning I thought about starting a thread about the two. I really do not have any definitive information that gives me a conclusion about their effectiveness at representing me. My Dues are coming up and I would like to make an informed decision before I re-up. I need to determine if I am being helped or robbed, without any fairy tale input from CNN or the NY Times.

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I have had the same concerns. So, I took the time read the final order in NRA's failed bankruptcy case (thank you for posting the link @alsaqr !), knowing that discovery during legal proceedings often produces information that the parties are often loathe to reveal otherwise.

May I describe a few of the facts and conclusions from that order that were interesting to me (and which might be interesting to NRA members)?

1) Around the middle of 2017, the NY Attorney General (NYAG) signaled its intent to investigate the NRA under the provisions of NY not-for-profit-law. In response to this threat, WLP testified that the "NRA ought to take a look at everything, a 360-degree look to make sure we were in total compliance with NY State not-for-profit law, and if we weren't we needed to fix things." They called this their "course correction".

2) In April of 2018, the New York Department of Financial sent letters to insurers and banks encouraging them to consider whether their relationships with the NRA harm their corporate reputations and jeopardize public safety.

Clearly, New York State had decided to go after the NRA.

3) In July of 2018, a group of whistleblowers came forward, with the encouragement of the new CFO, Craig Spray, describing malfeasance of WLP and other insiders regarding conflicts of interest, inadequate internal control of funds, self-dealing on the parts of WLP, insiders, and the BOD, and improper reimbursements to certain employees, etc. These concerns were reported to the NRA's internal audit committee.

4) The NRA ostensibly took steps to resolve these concerns, including renegotiating contracts and upgrading internal financial control policies.

5) Then, in August 2020, the NYAG filed the results of her investigation into the NRA. The findings of this investigation are extensive, but of course, still unproven. Page 5 of the bankruptcy court's order summarizes them if you don't want to read all 163 page of the complaint. Essentially, the NYAG accuses WLP of running the NRA for his own private benefit, and for the benefit of close NRA insiders and BOD members. And of punishing anyone inside the NRA that disagrees with him.

The NYAG's complaint seeks dissolution of the NRA. The NYAG's plan for the final disposition of the NRA's assets after dissolution is not described.

6) In a November 2020 regulatory filing, the NRA admitted to several "excess benefit transactions" entered into by individuals at the NRA, including WLP. My view is that in spite of the whistleblower report and the NYAG investigation, WLP and NRA insiders were still doing deals to benefit themselves personally, and their lawyers made them admit to these violations.

7) The NRA took the NYAG's regulatory threat as a serious threat to the Association's continued existence. A three-person special litigation committee was formed to oversee NRA's response to this threat. They hired a new law firm to advise them. And on January 7, 2021, and the BOD approved a change to WLP's employment contract which authorized him to "exercise corporate authority in furtherance of the mission and interests of the NRA, including without limitation to reorganize or restructure the affairs of the Association for the purposes of cost-minimization, regulatory compliance, or otherwise."

So, there was clear evidence of malfeasance and mismanagement inside the NRA. And some evidence of attempts to address some of these issues. However, the NYAG's focus was now on WLP and other insiders. And the NRA BOD had authorized WLP to unilaterally use all of the NRA's assets to protect himself and the Association from regulatory review.

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Thanks Luzyfuerza. Still cannot fully condemn the total organization BUT I would rather continue the NRA support than assist 'Titia J. in her quest for the Governorship. There are more than enough turds running NYS already. I always thought that we topped out in incompetence and debauchery when Elly Spitzer quit and Patterson took over.

kidneyboy said:

and while you guys focus on Wayne the organization will be taken apart. The left can't attack the NRA effectively. They have been trying that for half a century without success. So instead of going after the organization they go after a personality. A tactic that's worked in politics forever and, judging by some of the responses above it works here.

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The NRA is not going to survive with him and his cohorts running it that is the whole point.

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8) A week after his employment contract was updated, WLP used his new unilateral power to instruct NRA's new lawyers to file for relief under Chapter 11 of the Bankruptcy Code. WLP informed the three-person litigation committee that NRA was going to file for bankruptcy but did not tell them why. He did not inform or consult with the vast majority of the BOD, the chief financial officer, nor the NRA's general counsel beforehand. The Bankruptcy Court called this "nothing less than shocking". I have to agree; I've never before seen one person take such a massive step for a big American organization without consulting with the key officers in the organization. Never.

9) There was a lot of legal wrangling before and during the trial. Most of it doesn't really matter to members of the Association. Some interesting facts did emerge, however:

The NRA is in the best financial condition that it has been in years.

The NRA does not anticipate any problems in paying its legal costs or other operating expenses going forward.

The NRA's annual budget is around $300 million.

The NRA's former Treasurer exerted his Fifth Amendment protections against self-incrimination during his deposition in the bankruptcy case. Presumably, this was to protect him against prosecution by the NYAG for malfeasance, but I can't say that for sure.

One of the whistleblowers (now the acting CFO) and others testified that financial controls and regulatory compliance are much better now than they were in 2017.

10) The NRA's reason(s) for filing for bankruptcy changed over time. In the end, WLP admitted on the stand that the primary purpose of the bankruptcy was to defend itself against the NYAG efforts toward "dissolution of the NRA and [seizure of] its assets...".

11) In order to force the dissolution of a NY not-for-profit organization, the NYAG has to prove either of the following:

a) that the charity's misconduct "has produced, or tends to produce, injury to the public. The transgression must not be merely formal or incidental, but material and serious, and such as to harm or menace the public welfare." The NYAG would love to build and present a case that guns, and their misuse, which the NRA foments, creates a material and serious risk to the public. But I would also love to see an energized NRA take on that attack with great focus and righteous indignation. It would be quite a show, the but risk to the Association would be huge.

OR

b) that the "directors or members in control of [the NRA] have looted or wasted the corporate assets, have perpetuated the corporation solely for their personal benefit, or have otherwise acted in an illegal, oppressive or fraudulent manner." I believe that this claim is a real threat to the NRA, not because of the Association's mission, but because of WLP's actions and those of other insiders. I'm quite sure that WLP feels that it is also a personal threat to him and the others named in the complaint. I also suspect that it may be quite easy for the NYAG to prove in court.

12) In the end, the bankruptcy court dismissed the NRA's bankruptcy petition because it "...was not filed in good faith but instead was filed as an effort to gain an unfair litigation advantage in the NYAG Enforcement Action.." WLP's unilaterally-chosen strategem was rejected by the court.

13) Conduct which gives the bankruptcy court concern continues. WLP is still violating NRA's approval procedures for contracts exceeding $100,000. WLP is still making disclosures, likely regarding his past financial malfeasance. WLP is still summarily dismissing competent people (in this case the well-regarded Mr. Spray).

The NRA is in great financial shape. The association is now better-managed and more compliant with regulatory requirements than it was in 2017. But I believe that it is quite possible that the NYAG, in a hostile NY court, under NY law, can provide grounds that the NRA, as a NY not-for-profit organization, should be dissolved. WLP's chosen defense strategy, bankruptcy, failed.

WLP is in complete, unilateral control of the NRA. With that power, however, comes complete responsibility. WLP, and WLP alone, is now responsible for everything that happens to the association. This situation is completely laid at his feet.

One more message to come...

Poper said:

I apologize for the length - I kinda got carried away....
My understanding of your posts is that you want to see change within NRA but that you may not be able to see/devise a way to do so. What then happens, whether intentional or not, is that you end up railing about WLP and your desire to starve NRA to death and to attempt to persuade others to follow you in your quest to destroy NRA with like tactics. I believe your intentions to be on the side of 'doing the right thing even when it hurts' - kind of like the concept of "tough love". A false dichotomy, IMHO.
All is not lost, though! I admire your tenacity and share your desire to see change at the top of the NRA power structure. I believe you can accomplish your goal without killing the goose that laid the golden egg. The NRA need not be destroyed to make the necessary changes.What needs to be done in order to make these changes is a membership that is not willing to let things continue as they are.
YOUR MISSION, should you decide to accept it, is to organize the the membership at large of the NRA to support your views and your perceived need for the changes. In order to do this, you MUST have clear and succinct statements backed up with documentation of:
1) what is in need of change;
2) a proposal of changes that need be effected to right the good ship NRA;
3) a clear, unmuddied letter to ALL members of NRA that illustrates your proposal in an unoffensive yet persuasive manner with a call to action energizes the reader/member to join your effort to initiate this change;
4) you must be willing to lead tirelessly, willing to field phone calls, answer letters, emails and simila communications from NRA members (and potential members) and press - day in and day out - putting your reputation and money at risk.
If you are not willing to put yourself out there, very few will be willing to follow, and you are wasting your time and everyone else's, too. To spew bitterness and dissent without purpose is purely destructive and helpful only to those that wish the complete elimination of our 2nd Amendment rights, the NRA as a symbol of America's 2nd Amendment protector and the NRA as a political power supportive of the 2nd Amendment.

I ask that you accept YOUR MISSION and channel your energies into supporting the NRA Membership and consider initiating a campaign to bring all of the members together and make every one of their voices heard by the NRA directors. I think there is a number of us here on THR that will support such a mission and may even activly enlist in the effort to make it happen. This mission needs a name that indentifies what it is about . Something along the lines of "NRA Membership United for Change", or some such thing. You may or may not want to form a non-profit.I can see a non-profit with a Go-Fund-Me (or similar) page getting some attention.
I hope this helps.

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I don't think you understand the org and how someone like WLP can stay in control. The only way the average NRA member can be heard is not paying their dues. Which they are doing in increasing numbers. My gun club holds monthly meetings, or did before Covid. If members want to attend the meetings and vote they're welcome to do that and their vote matters. Every members vote carries weight, one member, one vote. Take a close look at your NRA bylaws sometime and tell me how every member gets a vote. They don't. My club, 500 plus members, no longer requires NRA membership. That came about by a membership vote. The reason is they're losing members because of the requirement. No joke.

kidneyboy said:

This is a good example of not seeing the forrest for the trees. The naivete in posts like this is sad to see. While you try and starve them into submission the left will litigate them out of existence. As I said, a tactic that has worked in politics forever.
Keep looking at the squirrel that the left directed you to look at, that would be Wayne. Stop looking at what the NRA actually does. If that's what you are doing the left has already won.

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Sorry. I can't support an org that cares nothing about it's members. They have the message from the membership yet they continue to ignore it. Their choice. Serve the membership or hasta la vista, baby.

My shooting club requires NRA memberships and we have a waiting list of guys wanting to be members. Hard to know for sure the inner workings of the NRA, but you can be 100% certain that left wing zealots are behind the assault on the NRA and all of us who support private ownership and use of firearms. They make no distinction between NRA members and any other gun supporter. They are haters...they hate the NRA, guns, and anyone who gets in their way.

Well Wayne made this battle because of the malfeasance by him and under him. This attack by NY would have no legal standing otherwise. And he refuses to let go for the survival of the org. Obviously doesn't care about the membership or the organization.

My guess is people who don't want to know what goes on inside the NRA will blindly continue to support the fraud inside the org.

I would support the NRA if they would stop their illegal get rich schemes on the backs of the membership. There are other worthy 2A organizations to support that operate legally.

Carry on.

This whole situation boils down to whether or not you trust WLP to act in the best interests of NRA's members and supporters. Clearly:

1) Evidence exists that WLP has mismanaged NRA funds in the past. And evidence exists that, despite improvements in internal controls, WLP continues to violate these new policies. However, NRA, under WLP's leadership, is in good shape financially.

2) WLP's mismanagement has placed the continued existence of the NRA at risk. And resources used to defend NRA/WLP from the NYAG cannot be used to defend attacks on my firearms ownership rights.

3) The NRA is now WLP, and WLP is the NRA. A past NRA slogan was "I Am The NRA." https://nrastore.com/i-am-the-nra-t-shirt Unless you are WLP, this isn't the case any more.

WLP will act in WLP's best interests going forward, and that the NRA's core mission (encouraging marksmanship and firearms safety, and defending the RKBA) is way down on his list of priorities. I think that WLP must go if the NRA is to survive to perform its essential mission.

While for me the jury is out as to whether to continue to support the NRA or not, what is clear to me is that the same media jackals that hounded the last President out of office and now hides the mental incapacitation of the current one is the same group that is offering us, the deplorables, all the dirt on the NRA. Worth thinking about.........

The fact that Wayne made it impossible to get rid of him tells us everything.