Kyle Rittenhouse Trial?

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For all the attaboys - from my lane, Rittenhouse's attorney says he is suffering from significant PTSD. That's not trivial and you can thank him but he's not out life difficulties. Let's be real that the verdict was correct but he made a personal major mistake by being there. He needs time and professional help to establish his life. He does not need to be sucked into a whirlwind of political exploitation just to make gun folks feel all happy.

Having killed two people has had significant effects on many folks who had to do this in clear, heroic circumstances. Not everyone but his lawyer says he does.
Agree about not sucking him into a whirlwind of political exploitation.

Re PTSD, some of my vet friends are still suffering many years after completing their service, but others are fine, I guess it's an individual thing.

I have to say, Kyle conducted himself beautifully during the trial as well as during the precipitating event.
 
Isn't is a shame though, that we are surprised that the jury followed the rule of law, as they should have?
For me personally, "surprised" isn't the right word, I never expected the verdicts to be "guilty". I was however a little worried that we could have gotten a hung jury, although I suspect that would have been followed by dismissal with prejudice, which the judge foreshadowed with his comment about waiting to rule on the request until he sees what the jury says.
 
Estimates are about 30% of folks who are in such critical incidents may suffer but hard numbers are hard to come by. IIRC, some estimates in the WWII Pacific campaigns 1 out 8 causalities were psychological in nature. Might be off a touch on the numbers but it was pretty high. It was not public knowledge at the time as admitting troops could suffer from such wasn't good PR.
 
Which civil action? The potential suit from Gaige Grosskreutz or family members of the downed criminals, or the civil lawsuits he's entitled to against all of the media that defamed him (to include our moronic President) before and during the trial? I'd say he's in just as good a position as Nick Sandmann was for defamation lawsuits against the people (media and President) who called him "racist, white supremacist and vigilante".
Biden said today "While the verdict in Kenosha will leave many Americans feeling angry and concerned, myself included, we must acknowledge that the jury has spoken."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-calls-for-calm-in-wake-of-rittenhouse-not-guilty-verdict
 
I think the three guys KR shot made major personal mistake by being there. JMO

As well as chasing after KR who was retreating with a rifle.

Happy for Kyle, right verdict was made by the courageous jury. I do feel bad for the parents of the two deceased, that’s a tough pill to swallow no matter the circumstances.
 
You are perfectly entitled to have that opinion.
That is all it is, your opinion.
I think the three guys KR shot made major personal mistake by being there. JMO

That was certainly true. The rioters were culpable of starting this. There is a differential in personal mistakes. It is a mistake to go to destroy. They should have been dealt with by the law.

However, given the personal outcome for Kyle - it was still a mistake for him for him to go there. He had good motivations, not like the other side that were destroying property. Personally though he is paying the price and Internet attaboys doesn't change that.
 
See a camera van, smash a camera van. Let MSNBC know that they aren't welcome anywhere now.

Those treasonous bastards could have gotten the jurors killed.

Where's the "dislike" button?

That kind of thinking is no better than the rioters, looters and arsonists that Mr. Rittenhouse went to defend against.

And you apparently don't know what the definition of "treason" is.
 
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No, are you deliberately missing the point. In many SD cases, the defender did not put themselves into a clearly risky situation. Kyle didn't not pay attention to the 3 S rule. Don't go to stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things. Now that mantra doesn't come from antigunners but from widely known and wildly progun folks like John Farnam.
 
Don't go to stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things.
it is certainly not the height of an empire now is it. I have seen ppl online refer to every single city a person can mention within the united states as a ****hole. soon enough there are not going to be any smart places to go to. had kenosha been a walled city maybe they could have closed the city gates at nightfall and not let those without a pass inside the walls.
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No, are you deliberately missing the point. In many SD cases, the defender did not put themselves into a clearly risky situation. Kyle didn't not pay attention to the 3 S rule. Don't go to stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things. Now that mantra doesn't come from antigunners but from widely known and wildly progun folks like John Farnam.


Glad you were not at Lexington or Concord.
 
Kyle didn't not pay attention to the 3 S rule. Don't go to stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things.
Again you are entitled to your opinion. Thousands of patriots and veterans have gone to stupid places and faced stupid people doing stupid things in order to preserve your right to that opinion.
Maybe if more good people had been in Kenosha standing alongside people like Kyle the whole situation would have been avoided.
 
Hello, everyone. I hope you guys and gals are well. I was wondering... Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted in Wisconsin. Can the federal government charge him with murder?
 
However, given the personal outcome for Kyle - it was still a mistake for him for him to go there.

In fairness, that's for him to decide for himself.



Personally though he is paying the price and Internet attaboys doesn't change that.


Again, in fairness, internet scoffing doesn't either
 
Federal Case Only if the killing
...is A federal judge or a federal law enforcement official (e.g., an agent of the FBI, TSA, or ATF)
...is An immediate family member of a federal law enforcement official
...is An elected or appointed federal official (e.g., the President, a Supreme Court Justice, a member of Congress, or the murder of a federal judge)
...is Committed during a bank robbery
...takes place aboard a ship at sea (e.g., on a vessel that is engaged in interstate commerce per the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution)
...was designed to influence a court case
...Takes place on federal property (e.g., on national parks. military post, or a Indian reservation).
 
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Although no one has said it and I have expressed it as concern during jury deliberations the importance of this case. I would like to take the time to personally thank Kyle Rittenhouse for reaffirming once again our civil liberties in this landmark case WI v. Rittenhouse.

I feel somewhat comfortable in the knowledge that, Kyle Rittenhouse through no great sacrifice of his own afforded others, as many have before him a reaffirmation of;

The Second Amendment - Right to Bear Arms, A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
The Right of self-defense, The right of self-defense is the right for people to use reasonable or defensive force, for the purpose of defending one's own life or the lives of others, including –in certain circumstances– the use of deadly force
Freedom of movement, mobility rights, or the right to travel is a human rights concept encompassing the right of individuals to travel from place to place within the territory of a country
The Freedom of Association, the right to expressive association refers to the right of people to associate together for expressive purposes - often for political purposes

And I can think of no better place than thehighroad. I don't know how many others here might feel if they found themselves with such clear cut video evidence of self defense and the jury then convicted them because it was politically expedient to do so, because they should have stayed home, or they shouldn't have associated with dummies, or they shouldn't have defended themselves when a fist fight would be ok, or they were unarmed because..... why would they carrying a deadly weapon in the first place.
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No, are you deliberately missing the point. In many SD cases, the defender did not put themselves into a clearly risky situation. Kyle didn't not pay attention to the 3 S rule. Don't go to stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things. Now that mantra doesn't come from antigunners but from widely known and wildly progun folks like John Farnam.

While that is generally sound advice, what do you recommend people do when the government abdicates it's responsibility to maintain law and order?

Perhaps more importantly, what do you expect they will do?
 
Hello, everyone. I hope you guys and gals are well. I was wondering... Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted in Wisconsin. Can the federal government charge him with murder?
As previous posters have correctly pointed out, the feds cannot charge him with "Murder." There is no generally applicable statute against "Murder" in the U.S. Code. And it makes sense for it to be that way. "Murder" is a state law crime and the Constitution does not provide the federal government with the authority to generally proscribe it.

There are two special cases where "Murder" can be charged as a federal offense: 1) If the crime occurred within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States - this covers places not within a state, but that's not applicable here. and 2) It can also be charged under the Assimilative Crimes Act, but only if it occurred on federal lands within a state, also not the case here.

But Kyle isn't completely out of the federal woods yet. Evidence developed during the investigation does make it possible for him to be charged with the "Straw Purchase" of the weapon used. That's a federal felony.
 
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