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Hunting ammo has been sporadically available throughout the year. If you waiting until the week of opening day to buy what you need I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for you. Even back in the plentiful days I remember being in stores and shotgun slugs were pretty much always sold out by the week of gun season here in Ohio yet there were always guys milling around the gun counters asking if there were any slugs in stock.
 
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I personally am getting pretty disgusted with the lack of ammunition (and reloading components) on the shelves!
But what I really getting disgusted over is the fact that NO ammunition conducive to hunting is available. I mean all you can find is FMJ and then only in 223, 9mm, 45 acp.
Don’t the ammunition manufacturers realize there are some of us who still rely on readily available factory hunting ammunition to put meat on the table. Many don’t reload and do have a legitimate need for factory ammunition- farmers, ranchers, property protection from animals, etc.
What gives? Am I a dying breed?

Buy a .350 Legend. Every Walmart I've been in has it in the ammo shelves, often the only ammo in them. ;)
 
It is the same though. Your pastime might be hunting. Another's might be playing his/her playstation. Both are optional hobbies.
Can't recall when I could have substituted any basic function like acquiring large amounts of food with playing games. Granted, they are pros who make a living playing them nowadays, but I currently have three pretty sizable chest freezers full of what more there is to hunting than just killing time. An actual connection to the food chain at its very roots is not just rhetorical.
 
I too have noticed that only 5.56, 40 cal and 9mm are available. Oddly enough, a week or two before deer rifle season opened up, Cabela's and another chain store who told me they had not seen 45-70 ammo in months had shelves full right before deer rifle season. Something is fishy there.

My biggest gripe is walking into Cabela's to see rifle and pistol primers for $65-brick and the next day or 2 days later its $85-brick. The cost of factory stuff does appear to be coming down slowly though. 9mm is around $18-19 per 50 now instead of $30 per 50.
 
Can't recall when I could have substituted any basic function like acquiring large amounts of food with playing games. Granted, they are pros who make a living playing them nowadays, but I currently have three pretty sizable chest freezers full of what more there is to hunting than just killing time. An actual connection to the food chain at its very roots is not just rhetorical.

Maybe you're the exception, but the vast majority of hunters I know spend thousands on equipment for 50 lbs of meat off a white tail. If those people are really concerned about feeding themselves a 1/2 beef from a local farmer is a better value for their money.
 
Maybe you're the exception, but the vast majority of hunters I know spend thousands on equipment for 50 lbs of meat off a white tail.
That happens, too. Heck, I've spent dozens of times that driving in circles in cars wearing nomex and helmet for that matter. Some of my buddies don't blink an eye for a trophy fee for african big cats or an elephant, or flying in to fill them; some kill their annual a couple of hundred lbs of venison with 70's rifles and 80's ammo wearing 90's clothes, considering a coup de grace a meaningful expense.

But I digress. The food and safety (been there too) aspect puts ammo far higher on my "essentials" list than consumer electronics or virtually anything else you might do for fun in your spare time.

That's just my take on the subject as a whole.
 
Local big name retailer has everything except .410 and the 'odd' calibers. All of the popular rifle and hunting rounds are in stock. Lots of 9mm, 40 S&W, and .45 ACP plinking ammo in stock, and the prices are back to being somewhat 'reasonable'.
BUT...still no primers
 
ell as I have said and will continue to say you had the ENTIRE Trump presidency (4years) of the cheapest priceses on ammo, reloading components, guns etc and failed to stock pile what you NEEDED then this is on YOU. Stop crying because you have none you made a choice now live with it.

WHAT EVER YOU DO WHEN THIS MESS IS OVER IS BUY FACTORY AMMO, PRIMERS, BLACKPOWDER, ETC AND BE READY FOR THE NEXT SHORTAGE.

Most folks with even a minimal amount of intelligence have realized that all of the ammo shortages since Obama have nuttin' to do with who's in office, but because of bannic buying and hoarding. Even the last years of the Trump administration ammo and components were difficult at best to find because of the big rush on guns/ammo due to the pandemic(again, hoarding). Plant shutdowns/slowdowns due to the pandemic and then came the distribution mess of almost everything. Lots and lots of conspiracy theories out there and folks love to push their political agenda on the shortage, especially on gun forums, but even the ammo manufacturers themselves tell us "WE" are the problem. I know of folks that just had to buy the last 5 bricks of .22 ammo during the big rimfire shortage......and they still have all of them. They didn't shoot .22 before the shortage and they haven't since. Yes, many of us that went thru these things have since learned to stock up(big difference than hoarding), but in the past hunting ammo was not really affected. For two years now(yep, one year was during the Trump era) I haven't been able to find much out there for heavy pheasant loads for shotguns. I have been told that it's because manufacturers are focusing on the highest demand.......waterfowl, SD and trap loads. For folks new to the shooting sport(and there are a ton of them) haven't experienced this....give 'em a break.

As for the crying and whining on these types of forums...your post too, is a prime example.
 
I personally am getting pretty disgusted with the lack of ammunition (and reloading components) on the shelves!
But what I really getting disgusted over is the fact that NO ammunition conducive to hunting is available. I mean all you can find is FMJ and then only in 223, 9mm, 45 acp.
Don’t the ammunition manufacturers realize there are some of us who still rely on readily available factory hunting ammunition to put meat on the table. Many don’t reload and do have a legitimate need for factory ammunition- farmers, ranchers, property protection from animals, etc.
What gives? Am I a dying breed?

There's an ammo shortage? Really? When did this happen?

Also, guess what. Manufacturers don't produce products for you, they produce them for the market. If the market wants 223, 9mm and 45 ACP, that's what they're going to focus on.
 
I'm seeing the same thing locally with regards to certain calibers being more readily available than others. The local Rural King seems to be getting the stuff in dribs and drabs. Lots of .22LR,.223, 5.56, 9mm, 40 S&W. .308 and .45ACP. I'm fortunate that it's only about a 5 minute drive from the homestead so I'll check in just about every day and when I see some of the ammo that isn't usually available regardless of the fact that I need it or not, I'm gonna snag it. I'm of the mindset that it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it and their prices are probably the best that I've seen around these parts.
 
Our farm and fleet has taken down the ammo section to about 4' at the end of summer, so they don't expect alot of ammo in for a long time. Sometimes, you can find alittle game ammo, but you better have your checkbook, and you better not think about it long, because it won't be there when you go back. Pretty sad when anything under a $1 a round, is a great deal, but don't worry, the Feds say it's just a passing thing, and everything will be better real soon.
 
It still doesn’t make sense, though. Academy, Cabela’s, etc will get in a pallet of WWB 5.56 but not one box of .243.
Like other has pointed out its a demand thing. Hunting ammo is 1 or 2 boxes per year for most people, while range ammo can and will see cases burned every day. That's not to say the as stuff isn't being made. You might actually be surprised what all does actually get delivered to their stores then sells out in a couple hours. You likely can find the hunting ammo you want at a local gun store for $4 a round if you let them know you are looking for it.

I know from my friends and relatives who work at Academy they get ammo shipments 3 days per week, usually 35,000 to 50,000 rounds each time at all of their stores. I don't know how often Basspro gets their shipments but certainly it's at least weekly if not more frequently. There is always some boxes of hunting ammo mixed in. Demand being what it is those rounds don't last.

Realistically the problem you are seeing is still massive demand and people buying darned near everything that comes in the door. The local Field and Stream store did have a huge hunting ammo sale back in October with just about all the oddball flavors folks might like -- all of it was sold out in one weekend.
 
what I really getting disgusted over is the fact that NO ammunition conducive to hunting is available.

Don’t the ammunition manufacturers realize there are some of us who still rely on readily available factory hunting ammunition to put meat on the table.
Simple supply and demand.
There's an ammo shortage?

Really? When did this happen?
:):):)

All year at my coastal area with multiple rivers, stores are fully stocked with kayaks but during summer season when everyone wants to go kayaking (Tourists, vacationers in addition to locals and family/friends visiting), all the stores are sold out of kayaks. ;)

Same could be happening as ammunition manufacturers HAVE PRODUCED hunting ammunition but during hunting season, hunting ammunition may have been bought out by hunters' demand outstripping supply.

Am I a dying breed?
Hundreds of millions of guns were sold in the past decade and I have a feeling many to new gun owners. This past year alone saw over 10 million guns sold with most of them likely going to new gun owners, perhaps some to younger owners being introduced to hunting for the first time. And these new hunters need to zero their rifles, scopes and practice before hunting.

Empty shelves of hunting ammunition during hunting season could indicate there are many more hunters in your area than you think there are.

Another factor could be the higher cost of meat at the stores. With meat prices that increased 40%-100%+ (Depending on cut of meat) in recent years, I have a feeling more people could be turning to hunting to put meat on the table.
 
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Hunting to put low cost meet on the table is only valid in certain high-density game areas and by certain individuals who can be competent hunters without needing all of the toys/gadgets/leases and processing costs. If you can grab a paid for rifle, have the ammo, have access to a nearby area with ample game, and can process in your garage, then have at it. Can some people pull it off? Yes. Can most people pull it off? Absolutely not.
 
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I have a pretty fair supply of reloading components for defense ammunition, mostly handgun that I’m sitting on. I used to burn through a fair amount of it to maintain skills now I’m not because I’m not sure what the future holds. Hunting ammunition I probably have enough to last a couple lifetimes at my age. I don’t need to have my A game to procure meat so I never practice with my hunting rifles. As a back up it’s comforting to have a lot of 22 LR and I can take 100 % of any game I hunt with one and maybe burn a few for pleasure now and then.
 
Well as I have said and will continue to say you had the ENTIRE Trump presidency (4years) of the cheapest priceses on ammo, reloading components, guns etc and failed to stock pile what you NEEDED then this is on YOU. Stop crying because you have none you made a choice now live with it. ...

True, but not entirely accurate.
The run on ammo began in March '20 and was in full swing by the end of summer.
I'm fairly sure DJT was president.
 
Don’t forget the lockdowns happened under trump. Gov is not our friend no matter which side is in power. The difference is, the run on ammo lightens up during the turn of power sometimes.

Trump did give us the first couple stimulus checks, didn’t everyone spend a good portion of it on ammo? Like I did.
 
It is very hard for me to be crass at anyone that did not stock up; their lack of ammo does not affect me nor my world BUT, I can relate to the reality of not having enough or any ammo. In hindsight yes I could preach but I can put myself in their shoes also. I simply do not understand the judge-mental perspective - anybody can do that if they made a timely decision - let’s pour salt in the wound and while we are at it, let’s laugh at them too. These are fellow shooters that simply did not buy in a timely manner, no need to roast their misfortune with Pius proclamation - you had the means and your timing was simply luck!
 
True, but not entirely accurate.
The run on ammo began in March '20 and was in full swing by the end of summer.
I'm fairly sure DJT was president.

3.6 years lol I agree with your time line

I bought my last powder order in June of 2020 when powder Valley had 90 percent of inventory in stock.
 
It is very hard for me to be crass at anyone that did not stock up; their lack of ammo does not affect me nor my world BUT, I can relate to the reality of not having enough or any ammo. In hindsight yes I could preach but I can put myself in their shoes also. I simply do not understand the judge-mental perspective - anybody can do that if they made a timely decision - let’s pour salt in the wound and while we are at it, let’s laugh at them too. These are fellow shooters that simply did not buy in a timely manner, no need to roast their misfortune with Pius proclamation - you had the means and your timing was simply luck!

It does not take much "means" to have accumulated a modest stash of ammo over the years so you would never be caught at zero or near zero balance. It is based on prioritizing a small cache of a valuable asset over some instant gratification item (like the case of beer for the long weekend). I know several people who operate on the "buy two boxes, shoot one box, keep one box" principle.

With regards to "lucky" timing, I am 45 and started building stocks of ammo at age 12. I have seen upwards of ten ammo crisis over my adult lifetime and almost as many flush periods. When Cabela's was in danger of getting a fire code citation from ammo pallets blocking the aisles was the time to pick-up a couple extra boxes. Recognizing this is not "luck", but simple situational awareness.

If you are absolutely new to shooting, either by age (18-21) or not being a part of your previous lifestyle, then you do have my sympathies. I suggest buy a small amount at market price to gain minimum competency/minimal use and then wait it out for more availability. If you are not in the above groups, then just buy what you need and pin the receipt above your workbench to remind yourself in the future. Stop handwringing.
 
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