Ever notice this about striker fired pistol trigger reviews?

frogfurr said:

I think double action triggers came out for those that are not capable of using a safety. I don't know of any other advantage.

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I've never heard that point of view before. Perhaps that's simply 1911 bias.

Early wonder 9s like the Beretta 92s and CZ75s are DA/SA and have safety levers. Seems like those folks would have to know how to disengage the safety.

Plus there are people that started with or prefer DA revolvers and want an autoloader with similar shooting characteristics.

wbwanzer said:

'This is the best striker fired trigger out there'.

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"This is the best (fill in the blank) out there" is a statement I take with a grain of salt, especially with reviews.

Most people don't know how to make a good review in the first place!

Learn to shoot a Webley revolver double action well and everything else feels like luxurious refinement.

Trigger snobs will be snobs. Most striker fired guns can be greatly improved with some aftermarket parts and knowledgeable work. My XD-40 has minimal pre-travel and zero over travel and a crisper trigger than most 1911's out of the box, and I acknowledge 1911 as have some of the best handgun triggers going. Will it be a good as a 1911 that has had a trigger job, no, but its better than most factory 1911 triggers. I have handled M&P and Glock with very good triggers too.

Having spend years shooting revolvers in USPSA competition were we shoot double action exclusively my tolerance for trigger is pretty broad. The only thing I don't like is semi-autos that do double action on the first shot and single action after. I would rather have one or the other and no change after the first shot though even that I could learn to use with some time and practice.

None of my carry guns have a manual safety, that is conscious decision I did not make lightly. Only two of my handgun have safeties, my Ruger MkII and my R1 Limited (double stack 1911 in 40S&W) and it is a competition only gun for me.

Run what ya brung!

-rambling

In a weak moment I bought a Glock 44 thinking it would be a good pistol for young shooters starting. It had almost a 9 lb trigger and felt like there was gravel inside it even after several hundred rounds through it. Bought a spring kit and did the polish job they showed and it’s down to about 4 lbs now and is not too bad.

Y'all are forgetting about the best striker fired trigger ever implemented: the VP70!*

I can't seem to find any actual numbers for the VP70's trigger weight, my guess is because most trigger scales don't go up that high.

Trigger pull was the major reason I sold mine. The stapler I use for targets has a lower weight and better break.

BSW

*I know it's hard to convey sarcasm online, that sentence is entirely sarcastic.

Even with the 3.5# Ghost Inc connector my Glocks still suck compared to my cheapest 1911.

Lots of people complain about striker fired triggers. I don't really consider them bad. So what if they aren't finely tuned 1911 triggers. They aren't supposed to be.
When I got more serious about handguns I owned an old Dan Wesson revolver & a Ruger P94. I spent a lot of time working on learning to shoot a double action trigger. That was followed with a striker fired pistol. I've shot enough different trigger systems to know what I'm okay with. To me Glock, Springfield Armory, S&W M&P, the new PSA Dagger triggers are all fine. Not great not horrible. I didn't like the trigger of the Taurus PT-111 G2 I had. I didn't really like the trigger on my friends SD9VE but if it were my gun I would spend enough time dry firing it to learn it & I would be fine. It was consistent.
The worst trigger I believe I've ever had on a pistol was hammer fired it was on a Kel-Tec P-11. It shot well once I got used to it though.
I shot a Glock with a seriously lightened trigger once. Its owner was using it as a carry pistol. There is no way I would have carried it. It was fun watching the water bottles explode when I thought about pulling the trigger though.

chicharrones said:

I've never heard that point of view before. Perhaps that's simply 1911 bias.

Early wonder 9s like the Beretta 92s and CZ75s are DA/SA and have safety levers. Seems like those folks would have to know how to disengage the safety.

Plus there are people that started with or prefer DA revolvers and want an auto loader with similar shooting characteristics.

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That's what I read about double action triggers when they first came out. That law enforcement couldn't remember the disengage the safety in stressful situations. Understandably so. Other than your unbiased opinion on 1911's why do think the double action is better than a single action?

JohnKSa said:

There were three main selling points for DAO and DAO style triggers when they first came into popularity.

1. Very simple--no need to disengage safeties. Just draw, point & shoot.
2. Every trigger pull is the same. No transition from DA to SA.
3. People can't cock their guns and then have to deal with decocking them if they don't shoot--or have unintentional discharges due to the lighter & shorter SA trigger.

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That pretty much sums up the reason most of my pistols have a light DAO system. I chose to go w/o a manual safety, even though I could combine that with the DAO. The light DAO gives me a reasonable trigger pull (1911 tuned trigger people would frown but I'm ok with it) that's fine for my purposes: Defensive pistol out to ~50 yards if needs be.

I have one trigger pull to learn, from the 1st shot to the last. When I'm done shooting I don't need to do anything to return the pistol to ready except get my finger off the trigger.

Striker based guns have most of the same advantages and w/o a hammer spring to accommodate there is more flexibility for grip shapes/sizes.

BSW

gobsauce said:

I'll be 100% honest. I've never felt a trigger I didn't like.

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Maybe I've pulled too many triggers in my life; maybe I'm a "trigger snob" but there have more than a couple of triggers I've positively hated, which isn't to say that I could never adapt to shooting them. Trigger-pulls fall into a continuum of types and purposes as well as subjective preferences but there are always differences. Triggers Matter!

wbwanzer said:

Ever notice that everyone (or almost everyone) thinks that the trigger on their striker fired gun is the best? Have these folks actually tried most or even some of the available triggers? I'm pretty sure that I haven't. But I have tried (as in dry fired) the triggers of just about all of the latest small wonder compact nines. Also a few others. I actually bought a Hellcat which I have since let go, and a currently have a Shield Plus. I also have a SIG X-Carry Legion and a Canik TP9SFX. All of these are nine MM. Out of everything mentioned above, I think the Canik has the best trigger. Supposedly it is copied after a Walther trigger. I've never handled a Walther. But my point is that I've watched pistol reviews on YT of all of these guns and more and at some point I've heard reviewers say that 'This is the best striker fired trigger out there'. Everyone seems to think that the one they just reviewed has the best trigger. Apparently all of our opinions about what is a good trigger vary wildly. I'm no expert, and we're all entitled to our opinions. But it just seems like almost everybody thinks their gun has the best striker fired trigger.

Now you all can tell me that your gun has the best trigger

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You ever think may be those people are salesmen or just pathological liars.

As a rule if I look at a gun, I try the trigger. If it sucks, I don't buy it. Only exception to in 30 years has been the one Glock I own and the trigger in it STILL SUCKS.

The trigger on my striker fired gun is the best I've ever experienced.

There! And that's the truth!

I’ve fired quite a few striker fired, DA/SA with decocker, 1911’s. Some, like the Storm pistols were awful. Surprisingly, a very good trigger was the M&P 2.0/9 mm.

I think the "productionized" designs and materials of "modern" pistols makes for a lot of variability.
I get a Brand X jewel, you get a lemon, the warranty clerk will say both "meet specifications."

That said, quite the nicest FACTORY striker action trigger pull I have seen was a Walther PPQ .45. The Q5 Match was NEARLY as good. The Q5 Match SF wasn't. All seen the same day. But that is three guns out of a large lineup and mass production.

What the tuners do for competitors and picky plinkers is a different matter. A friend is XD across the board and his 5.25 Match models, iron sight and CO are very fine.

I have three striker fired pistols: a Walther P99 AS, a Grand Power Q100 and a Taurus G3. Each of them has the best striker fired trigger of the world .
Seriously, my favorite of the three triggers is the one on the Grand Power Q100 first generation, which has the feel of a super smooth, super light DAO trigger.

I like triggers like those on a good shotgun or rifle. No take up, no creep. Just apply pressure and it breaks. Like a good 1911 or revolver in single action.

Sometimes- but are most of the “semi-professional” Youtube gun evaluators quietly Avoiding the potential challenge of any gun with a double-action pull?

My Walther P99 AS….striker-fired…is DA/SA.

As long as a DA trigger does not “Stink” ——I Then barely notice SA triggers, reset or anything else. This is very secondary.

Of my striker fired pistols the "best" trigger I have found is the one on an HK VP9, followed closely by the Ruger SR9c. The Kahr comes in third place with it's long yet smooth DAO trigger while the Steyr M9 finishes in the fourth position. The Glock 17 rounds out the group with a fifth place showing.

In hammer fired guns of the 1911 variety my Colt Combat Commander from Colt's Custom Shop has the best SAO trigger, rivalling the one I had on a Colt Gold Cup many years ago.

kidneyboy said:

The first handgun I shot as a kid, and the only one for years, was a H&R DA/SA revolver. All triggers since then have been great......

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Me too! My first pistol was an H&R 999. The trigger wasn't really awful, but I have always said that once I learned to shoot it pretty well, everything else was easy. Or real garbage. Anyway, with enough effort, it was a good start.

wbwanzer said:

But it just seems like almost everybody thinks their gun has the best striker fired trigger.

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My P365X DOES have the best striker fired trigger that I'ver ever used! It's the ONLY striker fired trigger that I've ever pulled!

My P365X meets all of the requirements that I have for a conceal carry pistol well enough that I have zero desire to look for anything else. I just need to more practice to shoot it better. (And more money for more ammo. "Hey Buddy, can you spare a few 9mm rounds?")

frogfurr said:

That's what I read about double action triggers when they first came out. That law enforcement couldn't remember the disengage the safety in stressful situations. Understandably so. Other than your unbiased opinion on 1911's why do think the double action is better than a single action?

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I like single action pistols, and single action revolvers and own or have owned several of the type.

Why I like double action pistols and revolvers without safeties is simply my preference for a pull and shoot defense pistol for strong or weak side one handed use. For SA/DA defense pistols, I prefer decocker types to types with safeties.

So, my preference for defense pistols without safety levers isn’t because I don’t know how to use them, it because I want one less thing to fumble when under stress.

Speaking of 1911s, I like ‘em. A lot. They just don’t currently fit into my defense pistol needs. But I sure like target shooting with them, and I recognize as my hand pain increases I will likely end up with a 9mm 1911 at some point in time. Which will require a lot of retraining on my part.

I've had several Glocks and M&Ps, then I bought a VP9 and thought, "Ooh, that's a lot better!". Then I bought a couple of straight-trigger Sigs (P320 X-Carry and P365XL) and thought, "Ooh...that's better than the VP9!". Then I bought a CZ P10C and thought, "Ooh...that's alot better than the Sig!". Then I bought a Walther PDP, and it's the best striker-trigger I've ever shot. Where it goes from here, I dunno...

Ruger P89 DA/SA great all day long.