Maybe I don't get your drift but if you compare load data from say lyman 44th and the 50th there are some big changes. You can't learn too much from the lyman cast manual.anyway glad your a reader
I have a question as to why??
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I guess my drift is that it can be extremely frustrating to see people be outstandingly generous with their knowledge and experience on one hand and then turn around and bash someone because they haven't read fifteen manuals cover to cover and figured everything out on their own.
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The OP's complaint was that the data he found was for a 24" barrel. He didn't say anything about test barrels vs. OTC firearms. Are you still blinded by your self-supposed brilliance?
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I apologize for my snarky comment. But people baffle me sometimes. You gave a nicely worded, polite reply to Wing Rider in the "357 load data confusion" thread, but basically said to 74man "You're lazy. Read your manual."
Some manuals like Hornady have listed probably the most popular bullet, their 55gr. FMJ and 55 gr. SP, and possibly the most popular powder, H335, with the same data just copied and pasted for years and several manual editions using a 26” barrel 1/12 twist. Haven’t even bothered to list data for AR’s with this combination. Plus their data for the above is anemic and not realistic in AR’s. Lazy! They have data for other weights in AR’s plus they have tested some of the newer powders. Like Hornady but this is a gripe of mine. However check as many sources for data you can. Check both bullet and powder company data
Frankly, it's starting to become unusual for a hand loader to even OWN a printed manual. Many just look up loads for a specific bullet or powder online.
As far as the 223 goes, Lyman 50th does have data tested in an AR15 20" barrel 1 in 7 twist.
As far as the 223 goes, Lyman 50th does have data tested in an AR15 20" barrel 1 in 7 twist.
I don't mind the computer, but it has a very narrow view. It is also slower. I am much faster thumbing a book open to the cartridge I want than the computer is in opening a browser, going to the website in question, opening the proper page, etcetera, etcetera.
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LOLBELL
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I’ll bet 74man learned a lesson about coming to a reloading forum and asking a question. With all the warm replies he got I’d be reluctant to ask another. Get a manual or five and read them is not the answer to every question asked. I have Speer, Sierra, 2 Hornady and 2 Lymans. I have read all of them cover to cover. There are questions that are not answered inside the cover of those manuals.
Unlike the internet, manuals are 99.9% reliable, and thoroughly reading the manuals is great advice, it's just that the delivery of that message can be iffy at times.
Yes, people are free with info and advise, but human nature moves them to want the student to be putting forth effort just like the teacher is. It's only natural, but again, how that message is delivered can vary, and sometimes misunderstood in print vs person to person.
Yes, people are free with info and advise, but human nature moves them to want the student to be putting forth effort just like the teacher is. It's only natural, but again, how that message is delivered can vary, and sometimes misunderstood in print vs person to person.
I say one step away from being a beer can for attention but never works
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Many, many years ago I ran the periodical section of a library for a few hours a week. Microfiche, card catalogs and many thousands of documents. I have been a fan of the internet since I hopped on the information super highway.
A search’s success is dependent on the terms used. It’s nothing more than a program, doing it’s best to attempt to show you what you are looking for.
Lyman ar manual is useful also.
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That’s your interpretation? Too bad. You don’t get to pick other peoples words for them. One was asking a question after obviously doing some research. The other complained about a “problem” two minutes of just looking at the Knowledge sticky would have answered. And I did say the accusatory tone was a big turnoff.
Where’s the OP? No response at all. Drop a nasty topic and walk away to enjoy the resultant food fight. It’s that posters mo
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Get yourself a hot pot of coffee, maybe a few donuts. Sit down in a comfy chair with a few loading manuals (maybe borrow some from your friend) and start studying. It might just be downright enjoyable on a cold winter day.
Most loading manuals at the beginning of the book have basics of reloading that are quite helpful in getting the basics understood. The Lyman manual is a good resource for this, and would be worth purchasing.
But don't hesitate to ask a question here for further clarification, but I think the internet and forums make people very narrow in their scope of knowledge. They get a specific question answered and then they move on, sometimes without the broad understanding of why the answer is the answer.
Most loading manuals at the beginning of the book have basics of reloading that are quite helpful in getting the basics understood. The Lyman manual is a good resource for this, and would be worth purchasing.
But don't hesitate to ask a question here for further clarification, but I think the internet and forums make people very narrow in their scope of knowledge. They get a specific question answered and then they move on, sometimes without the broad understanding of why the answer is the answer.
And there are mistakes.
And sometimes you have no clue what you are looking for.
Yes it is. I have a copy.
AJC1
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Your in a room full of old men. If you want good advice then listen. If your here to judge what advice is given or how feel free to get the knowledge and do it better. The only responceability I feel is to prevent people from hurting themselves or others. This is a dangerous activity!!!!!
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Obviously, you need more manuals.
Swampman
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This is THR.
If a person can't ask a question without being insulted and dogpiled, there's something wrong.
If a person can't ask a question without being insulted and dogpiled, there's something wrong.
Hey now! My 7 and 11 year olds are usually the only ones that classify me as old! I’m *almost* 40. Close enough I guess!
LOLBELL
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I haven’t opened those that I have in years. Why would I want to waste $ on more?
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I am one of the old men in the room. Been reloading a long time. Started in the seventies. I still have all of my fingers and both eyes and no damaged firearms.
It hurts me when we have a new reloader ask a question and they get belittled. That’s the very reason I will not ask a question here. When I first joined here I pretty much just read not much posting. One day in conversation I asked a question really just to get a feel for what everyone else was doing and got “go buy a manual and read it” as an answer several times. I guess the go read a manual guys don’t know the answer either
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