BringHomeTheBacon
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In the real world, may I lawfully kill any wolf on my property just because I think wolves are scary?
There was a time in America when bounties were placed on wolves because folks thought them evil.
Some folks think they have the right to shoot any animal on their property.
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In the real world, may I lawfully kill any wolf on my property just because I think wolves are scary?
There was a time in America when bounties were placed on wolves because folks thought them evil.
Blackbeard 44
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I dont think its exactly legal to kill them because you think they are scary, as they are protected species in alot of states, but I will say if you see wolves without any binoculars your life is more than likely in danger. they are very smart and will circle around you and when close enough they will attack and eat you. I had an encounter a few years ago and all I had was a 5 shot 38 special snub nose revolver, I fired 2 shots hoping to scare them off and completly torched my hearing with no ear plugs, they came back both times to within 75 yards of me, with 3 rounds left and 60 more acres to walk back to the house it was a scary situation I counted 12 of them. finally my wife noticed me walking circles twords the house and came and got me with the truck, I about crapped my pants and now I have an AR when I am out haying.
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We don’t have wolves around here but if there is a coyote around my chicken coop, it’s a fair target.
I wouldn’t call a predator, that has already taken some of my livestock “killing any animal” on my property.
I didn’t watch the antique TV clip but I’ll bet they were not blowing away Bald Eagle’s…despite them also being a (protected) predator.
I wouldn’t call a predator, that has already taken some of my livestock “killing any animal” on my property.
I didn’t watch the antique TV clip but I’ll bet they were not blowing away Bald Eagle’s…despite them also being a (protected) predator.
FL-NC
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Patently untrue. Wild animals are a resource that are not "owned" by a property owner. All applicable laws are in effect. For example, if you shoot a bear on your property in Fl., you will have some explaining to do regarding the defensive necessity of killing that bear- especially if that bear has been tagged with a chip or collar. Deer regs still apply, regarding seasons, methods of taking a deer, limits by sex and antlers, reporting requirements, and so on- for all species. If something is unprotected (like coyotes or feral hogs) the regs will specifically state this.
buck460XVR
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...some folks think they have the right to shoot any animal, even when it's not on their property. Like with the above statement, they are called "Poachers", if there is a not a open season on the and they do not have the proper license. Been that way for as long as I remember.
Back when I was a kid and there was still a bounty on wolves(even tho there not any more around), my county had a bounty on crows and moles too. Doubt if it was because they thought the were evil, just a nuisance. Wasn't long afterwards that the crows, like the wolves became a protected species in the state.
At one time they did. My dad was born in 1923. My grandfather in the 1890s and great grandfather in the 1850's. They and had about 80 acres in Western Kentucky they farmed together. When the farm was 1st bought the concept of conservation was just getting started and the laws at the time were much different than today.
Hunting seasons and bag limits were a new thing in the 1930's when my dad was growing up. Most landowners didn't look favorably on a game warden telling them what they could and could not do on their own property.
I'm not saying I agree with the old ways. But the concept of wild game animals not belonging to the landowner is relatively new.
.455_Hunter
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Modern game laws have allowed there to actually be game to hunt. Otherwise, Uncle Cleetus would have killed them off long ago.
CoalCrackerAl
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Ahh there is lassie.
aaaaa
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...and ear plugs!
Coyote3855
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https://www.google.com/search?q=How...ome..69i57.8487j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
"In North America, there are no documented accounts of humans killed by wild wolves between 1900-2000. Worldwide, in those rare cases where wolves have attacked or killed people, most attacks have been by rabid wolves."
While I wouldn't mess with wolves, I don't believe "they will attack and eat you." Facts don't support your contention.
DM~
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That just isn't true...
I don't believe it's common, but I know for a fact it has happen in Alaska! I know of a (white) schoolteacher who was jogging and was pulled down, killed and eaten by a pack of wolves.
The natives have lost kids to wolves too, but somehow if it wasn't videoed, then the wolf lovers say it didn't happen!
In Alaska, you can shoot a wolf on your own property, and no one will ever bother you!
SR
We have one active poster who admits to killing hundreds of hawks, eagles on his property. These birds are federally protected and while he claimed to have a permit, he lied. The moderators deleted his post, but there are people who kill everything and anything.
GunnyUSMC
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I went to war with the squirrels at my house. The little devils got in my attic and my shed and made a hell of a mess. I had to have all the AC ductwork replaced due to the damage the squirrels caused.
I love animals, but I hate pest.
I love animals, but I hate pest.
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Posting an ancient TV show clip does not reflect the "real world", then or now. Yes, wolves had bad PR to extent that stock growers even resorted to biological warfare to wipe them out in many parts of the country. They did cause economic loss and potential hazard to humans. Then came Farley Mowat and a better understanding of the problems humans cause by ignorance and interfering with biological systems. After wildlife biologists and cooler heads put some things into perspective, a co-existence plan was developed and enacted into law. Sadly, the PR battle continues.
Wolves evolved into very effective predators. They eventually learned to stay clear of humans, but behavior modifies over time. Circumstances such as garbage cans, opportunities and hunger can cause bears to be a threat. Dogs in packs have killed and eaten humans in recent history, so don't think wolves will not if given the opportunity. Most were eradicated by the time the 20th century came along. Perhaps if Google was more concerned about valid answers than about ad revenue, it would have coughed this up: https://www.timberwolfinformation.org/wolf-attacks-on-humans-in-north-america/ or even a Wiki entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wolf_attacks unless someone thought that attacks didn't warrant discussion, or that folks outside North America didn't matter. Anyway, wolves, like pit bulls, are a hot button for many. Most wolf fans have not watched a pack drag down elk in deep snow or devouring newborn herd animals, but they have a place in the balance of nature.
Wolves evolved into very effective predators. They eventually learned to stay clear of humans, but behavior modifies over time. Circumstances such as garbage cans, opportunities and hunger can cause bears to be a threat. Dogs in packs have killed and eaten humans in recent history, so don't think wolves will not if given the opportunity. Most were eradicated by the time the 20th century came along. Perhaps if Google was more concerned about valid answers than about ad revenue, it would have coughed this up: https://www.timberwolfinformation.org/wolf-attacks-on-humans-in-north-america/ or even a Wiki entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wolf_attacks unless someone thought that attacks didn't warrant discussion, or that folks outside North America didn't matter. Anyway, wolves, like pit bulls, are a hot button for many. Most wolf fans have not watched a pack drag down elk in deep snow or devouring newborn herd animals, but they have a place in the balance of nature.
CoalCrackerAl
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The OP used to troll another forum with the same nonsense. He would get banned then come back under a new nick. He finally gave up. He found a new home here for now. The lassie post. Reinforced my notion it was him.
.308 Norma
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What's "heat?" A combination of "hate" and "eat?"
We don't have many squirrels around here, but from what I've heard they can be real pests. I've never eaten squirrel either. I've heard it's good though.
aaaaa
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Years ago I worked with a guy who was a hunter and an environmentalist. When he was in the woods and saw a house cat, he would shoot it. Said they kill a lot of birds.
My beef with cats, and I don't desire to kill any cats, just avoid them, is people let them run free in the city so they poop in my yard. If my dog poops in the cat owner's yard will they be pleased if I just leave it there on the ground? No. So what if the cat buries the poop, what if I dig a garden or my dog digs it up for a snack. So I can see why people would like to kill cats.
My beef with cats, and I don't desire to kill any cats, just avoid them, is people let them run free in the city so they poop in my yard. If my dog poops in the cat owner's yard will they be pleased if I just leave it there on the ground? No. So what if the cat buries the poop, what if I dig a garden or my dog digs it up for a snack. So I can see why people would like to kill cats.
.308 Norma
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"Just because I think wolves are scary?" I wouldn't know about that. Do you think you should be lawfully able to kill a wolf that is destroying your property? By "property" I mean cattle.
There's been a few wolf sightings (along with a lot of mountain lion sightings) around here lately. We're not ranchers, but we have friends that are, and they're concerned about large predators in the area, and it's not just because they think wolves and mountain lions are "scary."
For that matter, some of the money my wife and I paid to the Idaho Department of Fish and Game for our hunting licenses and tags went towards the planting of wild turkeys over by the Garden Creek Gap (about 10 miles from here) a few years back. There was getting to be a pretty good sized flock of turkeys over there before the mountain lion population got so big. We suspect the mountain lions very much enjoyed the turkeys we paid to have planted.
But that's okay, I guess. My wife and I can buy a couple of mountain lion tags and go hunt them instead of turkeys. Or we could wait until the wolf population around here grows like it has in other parts of the state. Then we could buy wolf tags and hunt them instead of turkeys.
The whole coon skin cap thing is what got me. I have seen this same type of threads and lassi thing as well.
Terry G
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Wolves killing Humans are as rare as getting killed by lightning, maybe more so. Of all my wandering in Wisconsin I have seen them twice. Once at a great distance, once close when they scented me and my Dog they took off like their tails were on fire. They are once again Federally protected so the idea of killing them is a moot point. They have killed Hunting Dogs that were running free without their owner. To this I say "Your letting your $3,000.00 Dog run loose when you know there are Wolves around?"
1KPerDay
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I see about 5 deer on my 1.5 acres (in town) every day. I'd love to be able to shoot them. They destroy my yard and my fences and my garden. The next town over allows in-city archery permits for deer. My town doesn't. Too many ex-californians live here.
mcb
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I one hand I understand the need to enforce hunting seasons and bag limits etc on various species we commonly hunt as part of a greater management plan.
That said the libertarian in me strongly resists the idea I have to pay my government for the privilege to hunt the animals on my own land. Because I live in one state and own land and do my hunting in a neighboring state I pay a lot of money to the state I hunt in each year for the privilege to hunt on my land not to mention I also already pay the state yearly (property tax) to simply pretend I own the land to begin with.
That said the libertarian in me strongly resists the idea I have to pay my government for the privilege to hunt the animals on my own land. Because I live in one state and own land and do my hunting in a neighboring state I pay a lot of money to the state I hunt in each year for the privilege to hunt on my land not to mention I also already pay the state yearly (property tax) to simply pretend I own the land to begin with.
Double Naught Spy
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Any wild animal is dangerous, plain and simple. They don't play by "human rules" and humans seem perpetually naive in believing that animals should live and act in manners that are proper and consistent with the animal's station in the animal kingdom. Humans often talk about animals having a "natural fear of humans" which is utterly ridiculous. Humans are not special in the animal kingdom. More correctly, many animals have learned to fear what comes with human culture (like guns) than of actual humans. Darwin did an excellent job of documenting animals NOT fearing humans in the Galápagos Islands. So much for 'natural' fear.
Do you consider animals dangerous to you (which they all are) to be scary? You are more likely to be killed by an angry/defensive/horny deer than a wolf. Heck, you are more likely to be attacked by a deer than a wolf. Deer are more scary than wolves, if you consider the risk from a logical standpoint. Do you shoot all the deer that you see on your property?
Do you consider animals dangerous to you (which they all are) to be scary? You are more likely to be killed by an angry/defensive/horny deer than a wolf. Heck, you are more likely to be attacked by a deer than a wolf. Deer are more scary than wolves, if you consider the risk from a logical standpoint. Do you shoot all the deer that you see on your property?
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