Hockey7711
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I was talking about the case mouth.
This is 100% correct,. My post was addressing this…..”running loaded rounds through sizer”, which is not a good idea.If all you have as an issue is insufficient tapering back to SAAMI mouth spec... NO PROBLEM
Pull the decapping pin out, seat the die maybe only two turns into the Press, and run the loaded round up into it.
You'll just barely feel any engagement, but it will likely be enough to taper the case mouth back in.
Try plunking the round....
There is nothing wrong w/ using the sizing die that way.
In fact I use in on my two 350 Legends as a matter of standard practice.
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Excellent "de-taper" technique.
That’s a different question, if you need to remove flare on a loaded round you can do it with the sizer if your careful, just touching the case mouth, but you can also adjust the sear stem up and use the seater with a touch of adjustment.I was talking about the case mouth.
I was talking about the case mouth.
I have a lee 3 die set for the 380. It didn't come with a crimp die.
File this under For What it's Worth :
Factory HB wadcutter rounds were sized after loading.
That’s not an apples to apples comparison.File this under For What it's Worth :
Factory HB wadcutter rounds were sized after loading.
After charging the unsized cases, the HBWC was dropped in. The cannelure on the case prevented the bullet from dropping too far into the case.
After inserting the bullet, the round was sized.
It is perfectly safe to size the diameter after loading.
Is it suitable for your needs ? That's another question entirely.
Meh, basically what a FCD does. Take a look at your crimp set up. If you are seating/crimping in same step, if your adjustment is off, you'll get that slight bulge at the crimp. Also caused by over crimping, and flaring too much. With itty bitty bullets, it can sometimes be a fine line when seating/crimping in same step...you have a very narrow window where it's right.Is it ok to do a final resizing after a cartridge is loaded? One of my 380 pistols has difficulty chambering some of my reloads. My other 380 doesn't have a problem.
Yeah , those same bullets would no longer accept a crimp as they were rendered permanently undersize in the critical area.Yep. Lead is pretty much dead soft. Brass is much more “springy”. This is why dies to size brass are “under” dimension, to accommodate for spring back.
So you squeeze the case back down, and the bullet inside it and the case springs back larger but the bullet stayed the smaller diameter. Now you are worse off than before.
Even if you roll crimped them so it could “grab” vs using neck tension, you would most certainly have changed the diameter enough to destroy accuracy.
People that know better than to turn out crummy products, sell the damaged projectiles as “pulled” bullets. The marketing department keeps them from calling them, “fell out during post load tumbling”, bullets.
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They are a deal because they are as accurate from your firearm as they would be thrown by hand, by the fist full.
File this under For What it's Worth :
Factory HB wadcutter rounds were sized after loading.
After charging the unsized cases, the HBWC was dropped in. The cannelure on the case prevented the bullet from dropping too far into the case.
After inserting the bullet, the round was sized.
It is perfectly safe to size the diameter after loading.
Is it suitable for your needs ? That's another question entirely.
To be fair, I never claimed it was a good idea.That’s not an apples to apples comparison.
Safe? Sure, it’s not going to blow anything up, but it will ruin neck tension on most reloaded rounds.
I'm not going to do your research. Believe me or don't - your choice.This info. about sizing the case after dropping bullet into it,
where did this info. come from?
Please quote a source of the knowledge.
Not really, the carbide ring in the FCD is sized differently for that purpose.Meh, basically what a FCD does. ……...
You do realize that "basically" implies "similar"? I will be clearer next time, just to make sure that "basically what an FCD does" doesn't unintentionally get translated by some folks as "a sizing die is exactly like an FCD and should be used the same way", which obviously I clearly didn't say...but some folks certainly won't miss an opportunity to push their glasses up on their nose and say "well actually...."Not really, the carbide ring in the FCD is sized differently for that purpose.
Not a lot of reason to argue about it.
Just yank your decapping pin and size a round that’s already loaded and ready to be fired (can be a factory round if that’s all you have) and see if it’s still as good as it was before you began your scientific study…
You’ll be an instant expert.
I do, and besides having a carbide ring, they are quite different, just like a .40 S&W sizer is different than a 9MM sizer, not intended for the same purpose.You do realize that "basically" implies "similar"? I will be clearer next time, just to make sure that "basically what an FCD does" doesn't unintentionally get translated by some folks as "a sizing die is exactly like an FCD and should be used the same way", which obviously I clearly didn't say...but some folks certainly won't miss an opportunity to push their glasses up on their nose and say "well actually...."
Yep, too much trouble to use the sizer to crimp, buy a separate crimper. That said, to get by until then? Sure, like I said, I’ve done it.I think I know what happens, although I've never tried it.
I don't like taking my dies apart every time I need to do something I can buy another die to do.
But if you just like the practice of adjusting dies then you should do that to your hearts content.
That's the great thing about handloading. You can work as much or as little as you want and feel good about it.