JFrank
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I bought the BVSS chambered in 308 and I will say that rifle shot very (well) and looked great, I still have it but have changed everything except the action.
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What do you guys think of this for a 308?
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If you are going to shoot in registered Benchrest matches you need a true Benchrest gun. But many people call any kind of shooting off of a bench "benchrest". Clubs have all kinds of matches shot off of a bench, doesn't make it a Benchrest competition.
If you are going to shoot PRS and be competitive, you'll need something suited to that game, I linked to a couple that would also do well in other ventures because of reliability and accuracy, on chassis and one stock setup. What can be used here is a lot wider range than a true Benchrest match.
If you want to shoot serious F-Class, it better be a true world class accurate rifle set up for such.
If you want a very accurate rifle to play games shooting off of a bench there are lots of options, but for all of us accuracy freaks you'll end up replacing a lesser rifle in the long run.
After you've picked your action, it's barrel, bullets, stock/chassis, load........do pick an action up to the task of the game being played.
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THIS is my expectation for @MR WICK - he’s posted a lot of threads the last few months asking how to get in and how to advance in LR shooting, posted a lot of photos of small groups (like ~1moa at 500yrds), and has already been asking the devilish detail questions bemoaning the challenge of LR shooting, asking how to improve technique and shrink group size, and asking about rifles to start into competitions…
Pretty easy to recognize another junkie.
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Worth reading again.
For the OP, if you don’t know what game you want to play, I would suggest figuring that out first. Talk with lots of folks, see what wins and what doesn’t. Don’t be surprised if you come across smoking deals on a rifle that may not be a top 3 finisher but could still make it in the top 10. That’s the case in almost every game.
If this is just you against a sheet of paper, you can be happy with just about anything or never satisfied, up to you.
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JFrank
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I suggest buying one of each
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Walkalong, my wording was poor. If shooting off a bench out to 600 yards is my primary activity, is there a preferred stock design? Competition isn’t in my plans or future. I want to shoot my best groups and currently use a traditional hunting type design.
Or is it just a personal issue?
Or is it just a personal issue?
Shooting off of a front rest and hard rear bag, or shooting off of a bipod and soft rear bag? How serious?
But yes, the traditional hunting design can shoot very well, it's just not going to be cutting edge, and maybe not stiff enough for top class competition. It sounds like you could be very happy with it though.
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@Walkalong - you definitely have better perspective than I to compare stocks vs. chassis’ for bench shooting so tell me if this is just my n=1 or if you’ve felt the same. I tend to feel like chassis rifles are “too tall on the bags” when shooting from the bench. They’re nice and low in the chassis, typically, compared to a stock, when shooting from positional supports, but I always feel like I’m not as well connected to the bench when I’m behind a chassis rifle. I’ve been through a few chassis’, and they just aren’t my cup of tea - largely the same is true for me when shooting AR’s from the bench. I do it, naturally, but I don’t feel anywhere as comfortable and believe that weeble-wobble from the taller profile shows on paper too.
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If it’s just you a rifle and fun, it’s absolutely personal. A good benchrest setup is pretty far from a “traditional hunting type design”, in use.
This is an older video but you can see the joystick rest and how the rifle is in free recoil and slides so smooth, like it’s on greased ice. Then you have a left hand feed, right eject and a trigger that’s probably 2oz or less and a ton of magnification for such a short distance and not a safety to be found.
It’s a bolt action, that’s the most they have in common.
rayatphonix
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I’ve tried shooting off front and rear bags and a bipod with a squeeze bag. I’ve got a bipod that can sit pretty low, I’m guessing 6”, and combined with a squeeze bag I think it’s easier to shoot consistently. I’ll admit the best groups I’ve ever shoot are off two bags which probably means it’s a better technique for me.
How serious am I? I love to hunt deer and practice year round to support that vice. That probably explains why I lean towards hunting type stock designs. It’s important that I be able to shoot out of a stand, either fixed or a climber.
How serious am I? I love to hunt deer and practice year round to support that vice. That probably explains why I lean towards hunting type stock designs. It’s important that I be able to shoot out of a stand, either fixed or a climber.
gotboostvr
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Look into a KRG Bravo chassis if you're thinking about upgrading. Not terribly heavy, it'll be more familiar than some chassis systems, not awful expensive, plenty of options to modify it to suit how you shoot.
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Thanks for that insight.
I’ve actually been really curious lately about the future of chassis in ELR competition - I don’t know F-class intimately, and acknowledge it’s a different game with the bags used and requirements, but we do see some chassis used at ELR matches still - for now. Not typically winning, but they’re there. I’m guessing they will evaporate as the game evolves.
Super strange to see chassis’ becoming so broadly available in recent years, but also see them NOT dominating in any respective shooting sport - even in PRS, the pendulum seems to have swung back to stocks (highly adaptable stocks, mind you) - and to chassis’ which look and feel more like stocks.
@Nature Boy ’s F-Class rifle is in a stock for a reason. Entire action is likely bedded. Benchrest guns have the action fully bedded and most didn’t use release agents, just basically glued in, stiff is better.
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I have 3 of these: .243, .270, .30-06. I like them very much, but I got them because they are about the only chassis guns in these particular chamberings. I paid a few hundred more to get the Savage 110 Precision in 6.5 Creedmoor. It is a significant upgrade over the Axis II Precision version and you will be happy that you spent the extra $$. I also have the 6mm Creedmoor and .300 PRC in the Elite Precision model. Its a substantial upgrade of the stock to a PRS competition stock for quite a bit more $$$ but with the same 110 Precision action.
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I remembered when Savage was a Joke ,the gun with the UGLY bolt . Well I bought a couple of the UGLY bolt guns ,granted Hunting rifles and NOT BR competition . Well Well turned out the triggers are fantastic and they can Hold there own with ANYONE'S hunting rifles ,say for perhaps custom built rifles . Factory Rifles Savage and Tikka have served ME very WELL .
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All of that is accurate. For F Open you need fall within some rule parameters that effect what stock you use. For instance, the for-end can’t the wider than 3” and the rifle’s total weight can’t exceed 22 lbs. For F/TR you’re shooting off a wide track bipod and weight can’t exceed 18 lbs.
In either case, a lower center of gravity is beneficial to how the rifle tracks under recoil, which I find to be an important variable in shot-to-shot consistency
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This is the driver which I EXPECT will push chassis rifles out of ELR entirely in coming years.
The same truth is consistent, just more complicated, in PRS - chassis rifles are shorter on the barricade bag than most stocked rifles, but from the prone or modified prone (bipod and rear bag), they’re taller, so half of the time a slight disadvantage, half an advantage. I’ve even ran into some obstacles where my stocked rifle is too tall to fit into a porthole or stair/wall gap where a chassis rifle fit.
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