.30 Carbine BlackHawk??

Barbaroja said:
I would probably buy this if I saw it. Change out the grips. I would offer $600.
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I’m currently Gun Broke, but not Law-a-way broke. I’m going to offer like $100 off. Got nothing to lose! that Colt Officer Match got me lock down for at least 2 weeks. But I can’t want to drew on it.
 
Rather than a .44, a .30 carbine from a Blackhawk is more like a light bullet .357 max in a Blackhawk or .350 Legend in an X frame I guess. Small bullet, fast for a handgun, light recoil, good accuracy, etc.

It’s a niche handgun that would be a conversation starter at the range, I would not call it a super useful/utility type handgun like a .44 SBH is, IMHO.

Stay safe.
 
.30 Carbine 110 grain is faster then a 110 grain .357 magnum load. I sure don't get this stuff about it being useless. It looks like a fast shooting, flat shooting cartridge usable for hunting game smaller than whitetail. As stated above it's effective on Doyle's even at a distance. I don't think it's fair comparison to compare it to a .44 magnum. A more realistic comparison would be .357 magnum, .38 Special, 9 mm, or maybe .32-20. There it shines.

Also, when introduced ~60's the country was awash in cheap military surplus ball ammunition. It's staying power shows a continued worth.
 
I bought an M1 30 Carbine many years ago for $80. I bought cases of surplus ammo. I discovered a Ruger Blackhawk 30 Carbine and bought it. I shot them a lot for awhile and then they ended up in the back of the safe. I sold them. I bought another pair a few years later and then ended up selling them again. I did it again for the third time. M1 30 Carbines are to expensive today and the ammo is hard to find at cheap prices.

The Ruger 30 Carbine has an extremely loud crack when shot. Wear two levels of hearing protection.
 
KansasTrapper77 said:
I believe they made more sense when .30 Carbine was terribly cheap and plentiful. Those days have since passed and I would only consider one if I already had a collection of M1 Carbines, ammo, and reloading kit.

And as others have mentioned, I’ve heard they’re terribly loud but never experienced it myself.
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I have. I was at the range and the guy with the Blackhawk was at the other end. He arrived during a time out. Once we were allowed to approach the bench, I got off a couple of shots and then WHAM!!!. I nearly jumped out of my skin and thought WHAT THE #$%@#$%@$ WAS THAT!! Even with plugs and muffs it was spectacularly loud.

M1 Carbine ammo is loaded to get maximum power from a carbine length barrel. When fired from a pistol a lot of it is still burning when it runs out of barrel and the result is an amazing report and a truly impressive fireball as well.
 
natman said:
I have. I was at the range and the guy with the Blackhawk was at the other end. He arrived during a time out. Once we were allowed to approach the bench, I got off a couple of shots and then WHAM!!!. I nearly jumped out of my skin and thought WHAT THE #$%@#$%@$ WAS THAT!! Even with plugs and muffs it was spectacularly loud.

M1 Carbine ammo is loaded to get maximum power from a carbine length barrel. When fired from a pistol a lot of it is still burning when it runs out of barrel and the result is an amazing report and a truly impressive fireball as well.
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I officially want one!!!
 
natman said:
M1 Carbine ammo is loaded to get maximum power from a carbine length barrel. When fired from a pistol a lot of it is still burning when it runs out of barrel and the result is an amazing report and a truly impressive fireball as well.
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That is purely a myth and a common misconception. Powder burn rate is chosen for the desired pressure range and capacity, not barrel length. Powder does not burn all the way down the barrel. It is consumed by the time the bullet reaches the forcing cone. Slower burning powders are used in greater volume and produce a greater volume of expanding gases. Those expanding gases venting to the atmosphere are what cause muzzle flash, not burning powder. Thus the same powders that yield the highest velocity in a rifle length barrel will do the same in a handgun length barrel. The .30M1 is the birthplace of H110. What powder commonly yields the highest velocity in revolvers? H110/296 and those with a similar burn rate.
 
CraigC said:
That is purely a myth and a common misconception. Powder burn rate is chosen for the desired pressure range and capacity, not barrel length. Powder does not burn all the way down the barrel. It is consumed by the time the bullet reaches the forcing cone. Slower burning powders are used in greater volume and produce a greater volume of expanding gases. Those expanding gases venting to the atmosphere are what cause muzzle flash, not burning powder. Thus the same powders that yield the highest velocity in a rifle length barrel will do the same in a handgun length barrel. The .30M1 is the birthplace of H110. What powder commonly yields the highest velocity in revolvers? H110/296 and those with a similar burn rate.
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Well looks like it’s time for a .30 Carbine revolver load! bet the boys(they,them) could recommend a powder!
 
Many of you guys are way too young. Surplus 30 carbine ammo was available for pennies a round in the 60s. Ruger came out with the Blackhawk in 30 carbine in response to this.

When I went to S&W Armorers School in the 90s they took us on a tour of the factory. They had (what we'd call a N frame in 30 carbine in their museum. Project canceled because of excessive muzzle blast.
 
GRIZ22 said:
Many of you guys are way too young. Surplus 30 carbine ammo was available for pennies a round in the 60s. Ruger came out with the Blackhawk in 30 carbine in response to this.

When I went to S&W Armorers School in the 90s they took us on a tour of the factory. They had (what we'd call a N frame in 30 carbine in their museum. Project canceled because of excessive muzzle blast.
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S&W .30 Carbine! WOW!
 
CraigC said:
That is purely a myth and a common misconception. Powder burn rate is chosen for the desired pressure range and capacity, not barrel length. Powder does not burn all the way down the barrel. It is consumed by the time the bullet reaches the forcing cone. Slower burning powders are used in greater volume and produce a greater volume of expanding gases. Those expanding gases venting to the atmosphere are what cause muzzle flash, not burning powder. Thus the same powders that yield the highest velocity in a rifle length barrel will do the same in a handgun length barrel. The .30M1 is the birthplace of H110. What powder commonly yields the highest velocity in revolvers? H110/296 and those with a similar burn rate.
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Good point. "Because of the slower powders used, gas pressure is higher when the charge runs out of barrel" would have been a better choice of words. Slower powders do yield the highest velocity, but do so at the cost of flash and bang, especially in the case of 30 Carbine in a pistol.
 
Had two three screws over the years in .30 Carb. Yes it is a great understudy if you own a M1 carbine. Also I load m own ammo amnd in the Ruger load cast bullets, not so for the M1 because lead in the gas piston not a good idea. The .30 M1 is not as loud as a .327 Magnum IMHO , it does not operate at quite as much PSI as one. Also most all Ruger .30s are 7 1/2" barrels which burn quite a bit of the powder. I don't totally Agree with Craic C about about burning rates of powder , but mostly I do.
The .30 Ruger is an excellent Varmint pistol and my 4x scoped one would take ground squirrels to 150 yards easily and coyotes to almost twice as far. Speer 100 grain plinkers shoot excellent in them, I don't know if they are still made tho. The .30 carb is not far off the .300 BO in pistol performance : 110 grain bullets can be driven to almost 1800 fps out of the Ruger and 7.5" .300 Pistols not much over 2000 Fps , if that . A Fun gun.I sold my scoped one but kept a cherry 1969 old model for a keeper.
 
I always wanted to grab one of these Blackhawks and make a 30 cal version of the 357 bain and Davis. A 44 mag case necked down to 30 cal. Probably just make the fireball even worse putting more powder behind the bullet, but it always sounded like a fun idea. There are several 30 carbine Ruger's on GB right now...
 
adcoch1 said:
I always wanted to grab one of these Blackhawks and make a 30 cal version of the 357 bain and Davis. A 44 mag case necked down to 30 cal. Probably just make the fireball even worse putting more powder behind the bullet, but it always sounded like a fun idea. There are several 30 carbine Ruger's on GB right now...
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It’s available! go get it
 
.30 Carbine Blackhawk made a nice companion for a handloader with a Marlin Model 62 Levermatic carbine. Especially when .30 Carbine brass was cheaper than .32-20 brass.

I have known one person who had a .30 Carbine Blackhawk. He fired it a few times with .30 Carbine factory loads. He put it up on a tip board shortly after. Some people don't appreciate an Earth Shaking Ka-Boom as much as Marvin the Martian did.
 
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