Tisas 2011 pistols

bc1023 said:
I’ll pass on the cheap 2011 market. You get what you pay for. 2011’s start with Staccato. Pony up or buy another platform.

Haven’t been impressed with a single 2011 under the Staccato’s price point. The Girsan 2311 is a terrible gun. I’m sure TISAS will be better, but that’s not saying much.
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I've pretty much come to the same conclusion

Howland937 said:
But I'm still interested if it's significantly cheaper than a Prodigy, which I've seen for just under $1100.
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Having had a chance to compare a Staccato and a Prodigy, it is very easy to see/feel the difference in workmanship and quality control.

If you just want a cheap 2011 and don't intend to put it to serious use, it would make sense to go with the lessor price point. But don't fool yourself into thinking you're getting Staccato quality/function/reliability at a discount price
 
bc1023 said:
I’ll pass on the cheap 2011 market. You get what you pay for. 2011’s start with Staccato. Pony up or buy another platform.
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Yep.
And that's coming from a prodigy owner. If Springfield didn't completely Munson the launch, I think they could have snagged a nice chuck of the market from Staccato. But they did nothing but prove Staccato's marketing and show people you truly do get what you pay for.

For 1300 bucks I got a project gun, full of MIM parts and a crappy trigger. But on the other hand, I didn't spend 2700 bucks on a Staccato just to find out am not a big fan of the platform.
 
sevt_chevelle said:
But on the other hand, I didn't spend 2700 bucks on a Staccato just to find out am not a big fan of the platform.
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That's a good point for folks who don't really know if they're committed to the platform yet.

I tried a pre-Staccato STI 2011 and the mags needing constant tuning drove me crazy. Now that they've addressed the mag issue...

I thing a Prodigy would be an interesting project gun...but I have a couple of skilled pistols smiths I can call on who can set things right if need be
 
9mmepiphany said:
But don't fool yourself into thinking you're getting Staccato quality/function/reliability at a discount price
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I'd just need to find out if there's a compelling reason to spend that much money. Same concept with a similar feel at 40% of the cost is intriguing. Then either move up or move on...
 
wetr78 said:
It makes me think what makes other production guns like staccato so much more expensive? Can’t wait to get my hands on a P or C2 and try it out, but this looks like a banger deal for under $1000.
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Because they’re well built and high quality.
 
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Howland937 said:
I'd just need to find out if there's a compelling reason to spend that much money. Same concept with a similar feel at 40% of the cost is intriguing. Then either move up or move on...
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Well TISAS 1911’s are the same “concept” as Nighthawk, but they sure as heck don’t compare.
 
bc1023 said:
Well TISAS 1911’s are the same “concept” as Nighthawk, but they sure as heck don’t compare.
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But it should give a person an idea of whether they like the 1911 concept enough to dump a bunch of money in a Nighthawk. You've got several examples of premium pistols...did you ever buy your best version first?
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Howland937 said:
But it should give a person an idea of whether they like the 1911 concept enough to dump a bunch of money in a Nighthawk. You've got several examples of premium pistols...did you ever buy your best version first?
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Yeah I don’t know. Not saying someone needs to go spend $4-$5000 on a Nighthawk to test the platform. However, buying one of the least expensive examples of the design is not a great way to experience anything. Best to get something that at least does it justice
 
bc1023 said:
Because they’re well built and high quality.
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Time will tell...The old saying " You get what you pay for" comes to mind. I can say for a fact that my better 1911s shoot tighter groups than the less expensive ones. To each his own though.
 
Could be interesting. I like the 2011 pattern guns (have 2 of them) but whoo-boy are they expensive - at least traditionally. Once STI (sorry "Staccato" :barf:)'s patent ran out there was always bound to be cheaper clones.
 
9mmepiphany said:
I've pretty much come to the same conclusion


Having had a chance to compare a Staccato and a Prodigy, it is very easy to see/feel the difference in workmanship and quality control.

If you just want a cheap 2011 and don't intend to put it to serious use, it would make sense to go with the lessor price point. But don't fool yourself into thinking you're getting Staccato quality/function/reliability at a discount price
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Higher price does not always equal better quality or accuracy. Doesn't matter if it is a car or a gun.
Also, more competition = good for the consumer.

I owned a Prodigy and did not have a single problem with it. I have a Stealth Arms Platypus right now and nothing wrong with it.
I would own the Tisas Night Stalker 2011 flaver without a second thought.
 
Howland937 said:
But it should give a person an idea of whether they like the 1911 concept enough to dump a bunch of money in a Nighthawk. You've got several examples of premium pistols...did you ever buy your best version first?
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No casual shooter is buying a $5k 1911. Collectors buy those types of guns.

There are a couple Nighthawk 1911s that I like, but $5k? lol hard pass & not because I can't afford it. At the end of the day, they all go bang. (I'm not a competitive shooter, but I do understand they spend the money)
 
NeverEnoughFDE said:
No casual shooter is buying a $5k 1911. Collectors buy those types of guns.

There are a couple Nighthawk 1911s that I like, but $5k? lol hard pass & not because I can't afford it. At the end of the day, they all go bang. (I'm not a competitive shooter, but I do understand they spend the money)
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I don't collect 1911's so I don't have a clue about collector prices.

However many 2011's are intended for competition and in the USPSA world a $3k-$4k 2011 is rather ho-hum and $5k is not top of the market by any stretch.
 
Buckeye63 said:
Tisas is not connected to RIA .. Tisas is a Turkish company and RIA is a Brazilian company

Springfield out sources some of there 1911 frames from a Brazilian company.. maybe Armscor ( who is RIA)
Springfield also has their XD , Hellcats & Echelon made in Croatia

Honestly if I was doing a step up on a 1911 , I’d step over Springfield ..
But as I mentioned. I like my 1911’s as close as GI as I can get . And Tisas or RIA would be my choice.
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I have a Rock Island 1911 GI in 38 super it has a full ramp and is super accurate. The only issue I had with it is the front sight fell off went back to the LGS where I but , he says I can send it back to RI or I can offer you another option. I ask what is the option he tells me he has a real Bomar sight rail for a 1911 that someone paid 50% down on and never picked it up tells me I can have it for the balance owed and $45.00 to install it so I have the Bomar on it that is the only problem I have ever had with it. I have Springfield 1911’s also.
 
NeverEnoughFDE said:
No casual shooter is buying a $5k 1911. Collectors buy those types of guns.
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Not just collectors, a $5k 1911 wouldn't even be of much interest to many collectors who don't shoot.

I've carried a custom built 1911. that would fall into that price range if it had to be replaced, for many years, I finally transitioned it to a competition gun...because I sold my other 1911s. Cost never crossed my mind when deciding to slip it into my Milt Sparks Summer Special
 
NeverEnoughFDE said:
No casual shooter is buying a $5k 1911. Collectors buy those types of guns.
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I am quite certain its not just collectors keeping all those semi-custom builders afloat. Heck there are more and more companies jumping into the game almost daily. I have trouble keeping up.
 
Derek Zeanah said:
You should try a Platypus. You might be really impressed for the $1,400 price.
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I have one on order. My favorite LGS is a dealer and I was able to handle it, a Prodigy, the Kimber double stack and a Jacob Grey double stack before ordering.
The cost and availability of magazines are an issue for me. Not sure Tisas or the other less expensive brands have addressed that.
 
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Why do "2011s" cost appreciably more - or deliver less - than 1911s? Frex, the SA TRP gets good reviews, why is the Prodigy such a crapshoot? Why does Nighthawk charge $650 - $799 for a "double stack upgrade?" Why is a Tisas Duty $579 and a Duty Double Stack $779 list price?
Is the 2011 receiver harder to manufacture or are the makers charging what the market will bear?
 
The Prodigy is a craphoot due to SA huge lack of QC and a gun full of MIM parts.

You can Google Prodigy issues. They had/have issues with tight chambers, barrels with no leade, undersprung, optic screws bending extractors, optic plates becoming loose due to loose cuts, slide being held in place by nothing but the disco etc.

I'd be willing to wager, designing and manufacturing a gun that originally feed from a SS magazine firing 45, and now turning it into a DS magazine firing 9mm is not the easiest thing to do.
The DS frame requires more machine work. Also requires a separate grip module.


Am pretty sure one can buy a traditional Nighthawk 1911 for the same amount as they get for their 2011 guns.
 
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sevt_chevelle said:
The Prodigy is a craphoot due to SA huge lack of QC and a gun full of MIM parts.

You can Google Prodigy issues. They had/have issues with tight chambers, barrels with no leade, undersprung, optic screws bending extractors, optic plates becoming loose due to loose cuts, slide being held in place by nothing but the disco etc.

I'd be willing to wager, designing and manufacturing a gun that originally feed from a SS magazine firing 45, and now turning it into a DS magazine firing 9mm is not the easiest thing to do.
The DS frame requires more machine work. Also requires a separate grip module.


Am pretty sure one can buy a traditional Nighthawk 1911 for the same amount as they get for their 2011 guns.
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Mine ran great
 
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