so called cowboy "assault rifles"

The Bond 223 is tempting. As far as an 'assault rifle' - practice! I saw a guy try a lever action in an IDPA style carbine match. Despite the slow reloads, what screwed him was manipulating the lever, he didn't do it with vigor and kept jamming.

OLDE RETIRED COASTIE said:

of all the rifles I would need, the closest thing to an assault rifle would be either a M-1 Garrand, 30-06, or semi only M-14, in 308/7.62 with all the wood and steel , I do not think of either of these as a real assault rifle.
But as an all around tote rifle, or truck gun, that 38/357 mag with the 16 inch barrel comes as close to the perfect truck gun as I can think of.

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I am not sure you are understanding that the terminology you chose, "assault rifle," is a politically driven term and not the favored description of modern sporting gun enthusiasts and admirers of the 2nd Amendment. The term brings with it political baggage that begets contentious discussion.

dranrab said:

I have always wondered why lever action rifles are far more popular than pump rifles while pump shotguns are far more popular than lever action shotguns.

With that out of the way, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a good lever action armadillo assault rifle.

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I can answer that. In an episode of the "The Rifleman" Lucas McCain squared off in a contest against a British fellow who had designed and built a pump rifle specifically to best Lucas's legendary lever gun and had travelled all the way to America for a showdown. Lucas and his lever gun won the shooting contest and of course Lucas won the day in a show down with the usual bad guy. Thus lever guns will always be more desirable than pumps. Episode 18 of season 4.

Pumps are for .22s and shotguns .

CraigC said:

Why? So a pump action shotgun that holds five rounds is still viable but a levergun with a weaponlight and a red dot is not? This is exactly what I'm talking about, perception versus reality.

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Anything I have can be tactical. I can use my 1896 Krag Cavalry Carbine and a S&W .38 Double Action, Second Model if need be. It is the Indian, not the arrow that makes things tactical.

I find it funny how some people think certain guns today are "fuddish" and not capable of being used for self-defense.

My buddy picked up Henry 45-70 and accessorized it. I picked up my Ruger SFAR around the same time. We frequently meet in the local national forest for bonfires.
Pic from last Sunday night. His Jeep and Henry is on the left, my Jeep and Ruger on the right.





Many of his friends, and I have already told him that his red dot looks a little high for that rifle. He states, he shoots with his head up to see what is going around him.
I can't argue with that.

I have Winchester 94 and Rossi 92 with traditional wood stocks. I like them because they are lightweight and handy. Otherwise I prefer my SA rifles to have an optic and white light.

Delete. Reading on a small screen and not enough coffee.

As I mentioned above, watched a news story on a shooting, the reporter said: An AR styled long gun.
The assault rifle terminology is being corrected by some outlets but used by politicians for their purposes. It all goes away if Scotus EVER acts. Simply saying a ban on semi auto guns and magazines of any capacity is unconstitutional shuts this down. Will they ever do it - I doubt it. Why, don't have the votes and/or the politically minded conservative justices (OH NO - they aren't political) want to keep the issue alive for election blather. Solve the problem and the issue goes away.

That being said - I haven't seen a Bond gun yet in the stores or shows - are they in production yet. If I get one though, my wife will make me buy something of equal value for her house decoration plans!

Robert said:

While I do not care for the stock, I absolutely love everything else about this rifle. It just needs a can.

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I agree. I just can't warm up to the weird buttstocks. I'm sure they're quite functional. I want most my "tacticool" out front.

3Crows said:

I am not sure you are understanding that the terminology you chose, "assault rifle," is a politically driven term and not the favored description of modern sporting gun enthusiasts and admirers of the 2nd Amendment. The term brings with it political baggage that begets contentious discussion.

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"Assault weapon" is a politically driven term. "Assault rifle" is a real term with a real definition.

I took the OP to be in the vein of, "that yankee rifle you can load on Sunday and shoot all week long". In the late 1800's, the levergun would've been considered the assault rifle of its day.

OLDE RETIRED COASTIE said:

do some folks still think of a good , fast handling lever gun as a cowboy assault rifle?

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To some folks, ALL long guns are "assault rifles". Single shot .22s, breech loading shotguns, bolt action clip fed rifles...heck, a blunderbuss would be an assault rifle.

Miami_JBT said:

Anything I have can be tactical. I can use my 1896 Krag Cavalry Carbine and a S&W .38 Double Action, Second Model if need be. It is the Indian, not the arrow that makes things tactical.

I find it funny how some people think certain guns today are "fuddish" and not capable of being used for self-defense.

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I think it's weird that people think leverguns can only be Dad's favorite deer rifle, or what John Wayne carried in a movie and nothing else. But they're okay with semi-autos and boltguns evolving from the same walnut and blued steel to the modern versions we have today.

It occurs to me I need to purchase more of those old fashioned bolt guns. The lever guns are now more numerous in my rack with my newest addition. I need to rectify that. Maybe something in a custom 700 action or? Hmmm. The deer are taking up defensive positions and digging in.

Florida passed laws in 1890s requiring permits for Winchester repeaters and Colt revolvers. So some saw them as especially dangerous.

CraigC said:

I think it's weird that people think leverguns can only be Dad's favorite deer rifle, or what John Wayne carried in a movie and nothing else. But they're okay with semi-autos and boltguns evolving from the same walnut and blued steel to the modern versions we have today.

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I have no problem using a lever-action as a "tactical" firearm.

P89DCSS said:

Sorry, @hso even Breitbart is in on tactical lever action rifles:

Lever Action Rifle Upgrades, Accessories, and More

Lever action rifles are a favorite among Americans, and there is a thriving aftermarket of upgrades and accessories available for the owners of such firearms.

www.breitbart.com

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That hurts my eyes.

Here's the funny thing, you can have both. They don't all have to look like this.

I never really gravitated to lever guns, having been introduced to a Colt Lightning at a young age by a crazy uncle. I've always found the slide action medium, pistol or rimfire more intuitive to operate than the lever guns. And yes, some real-world slide actions were present in the "old west," and quite common in the Big Woods during the logging/mining boom and prohibition, an era I refer to as the "Wild North." They even turned up in the Alaska and Yukon gold fields.

Wish there were more of those in affordable modern reproduction/facsimile form!