While we're at it, tell me about Michigan

Shear Stress
The public is welcome to come out and shoot trap any time during our regular
trap shoot times. Just about every Sat. & Sund, all year. We shoot in just about any kind of weather year round. The charge is 3.50 per round. Walso do league shoots & team shoots. A member gets the comb. to the gate lock
and clubhouse and can go out and shoot handgun & Rifle anytime during day-
light hours. Once we go to daylight savings time we also shoot trap on wed.from about 4pm to dusk. A person can come and shoot rifle & pistol once
as a guest, but needs to join the club after that. We dont enforce that all that much if they seem sincere about possibly joining. We have a 100 yrd.
rifle range that will prob. get bigger, and the pistol range is being improved
as well. We have a great hog roast every summer, and shoot shotgun games
during the roast and its alot of fun. To join the sportsmens club you do have to join the main moose lodge and that will cost about 100.00 bucks but after that its just 35 bucks a year. The initiation fee for the sportsmens club I think
is $100.00 and then, $50.00 a yr. If you are allready a moose lodge member
in any state, then you have that out of the way.

Quote me all you wan't because I can care less The fact remains if you get jumped and start fighting back right away, you'll end up getting into trouble. I have seen several cases like that.

You won't change my opinion on Michigan. The state still sucks a huge floppy donkey----

Quote me all you wan't because I can care less The fact remains if you get jumped and start fighting back right away, you'll end up getting into trouble. I have seen several cases like that.

You won't change my opinion on Michigan. The state still sucks a huge floppy donkey----

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Well, I can't argue with your evidence and logical, reasoned analysis.

JUst look at the name of our state "Michigan" it is awfully close to "Michigun" coincidence I THINK NOT.

Michigan or Michigun, call the state whatever you wan't because the laws are still rediculous. It's not the gun laws that are bad.

Mr Bray,

I am not sure I understand your reasoning for your comments. You complain in a about our laws in a thread where someone asked to be told about Michigan and yet you do not live here.

You may not like all our limitations on concealed carry however unlike you, who live in Indiana, I do not need a permit to carry a pistol, only to carry a concealed pistol. You however need a permit to carry at all.

So yes I don't agree with all the limitations on concealled carry but am greatful I can and will do what I can to change them. Not just complain about them or make idiot comments about them.

I also noticed that you live in Northern Indiana , for now. Why, planning on moving out of state and if so where?

Eric

Well Ecbaatz,

I have lived in Michigan for 12 years and moved not too long ago. In Indiana you don't need a permit either to carry on your property or business. Just like Michigan elsewhere you need a permit.

I'm not moving out of Indiana. In fact I'm getting ready to move into an apartment. As to where is really non of your business. I smell a troublemaker

Just FYI, you don't need a permit or a license to carry on your own propriety.

Bray, you really oughta tell us what the issues are, or quit bashing. All you have done is throw out generalities that could be said of pretty much any state, and when refuted, you reply that no one can change your mind.

And I am still interested in where this $300 per year to keep a MG thing comes from. I looked through the Michigan laws, and can't seem to find it anywhere.

I, too, smell a troublemaker.

And somehow, to me anyways,

The state still sucks a huge floppy donkey----

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is NOT the high road.

Here is a vacation shot from Boyne Highlands last summer. Harbor Springs and Petosky area. The little lake in the picture is the lake in front of the green on the 18th.

http://photobucket.com/albums/y3/michiganfan/?action=view&current=PIC00020.jpg
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"Bray" Isn't that the noise a j.....s makes???

Jefnvk - I still can't find anything in the MCL that requires retreat. Can you point me in the right direction ??

Jefnvk - I still can't find anything in the MCL that requires retreat. Can you point me in the right direction ??

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I never said that, I think that was also Bray. Don't know if it is true or not, as I don't have a CCW.

Jefnvk,

When you pick up your CPL, by law, they'll give you a copy of "Michigan Firearms Laws." All 169 pages. I've reviewed these, plus done searches on the Michigan Legislature site of the MCL's and cannot find anything pursuant duty to retreat or what constitutes a 'good shoot'

If you have any info, I'd appreciate it.......

ETB - still stuck in Genesee County

I just spent a week at MSU in East Lansing. I didn't get more than few blocks from campus, but it seems like a nice college town. I hear the state capitol is next door. Awfully flat looking as you fly in though if mountains are something you enjoy.

I did notice that roughly half the college kids would nod and say hello as you walked by. Not a very objective measure, but better than most areas when it comes to courtious behavior from youth these days.

I smell a troublemaker

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So do we. And so far, your "braying" is evidence of it.

Why, Because I told you that your state sucks? I say the same thing about a few other states. Freedom of speech, it's called the first Amendment so get over it I have not made any negative remarks about anyone.

Plenty of reason for you to stay down there, then, eh?

Mr. Bray.

Actually you did do some name calling. You called me a troublemaker. Although I was just asking some questions and stating some facts. Politely or at least so I thought.

Yes, you can carry on your property or place of business without a permit in Indiana. But just think every time you leave one of those places, You CAN'T unless you have your permit. I can in Michigan.

And no I am not interested in causing trouble or where you live exactly. A general area of Indiana would be sufficient. I just want to know the area so I can avoid it or should I say people like you.

I understand the right to freedom of speech. I spent 20 years in the Navy defending your right. I currently have two sons in the Military, one in the army and one in the marine corps, again defending "your" freedom of speech. May I ask what you have done to defend or protect it? However, a private board which this is can limit your speech. I am surprised that they haven't done it yet.

Eric

If you get caught without a permit you will get in trouble unless you're on active duty with the military or in LE then you're exempt, gun laws are listed on the NRA's website. The only state you can you can varry without a permit is Vermont.

Wan'ting to know where someone lives during an argument 99% means someone is looking to start trouble.

You can carry without a permit in Alaska. Open carry in a vehicle with a CPL is legal in Michigan. Open carry on your own property without one is legal. Open carry everywhere else is legal, but you can be arrested for disturbing the peace if anyone squawks about it.

One thing to keep in mind about moving to Michigan is that some of our neighbors are obnoxious.

(strange but true fact: Ohio and Michigan once fought a war, which Ohio claims to have won..but considering they got Toledo and we got the UP, we're pretty happy about the end result. No one was killed and if I remember correctly, only one shot was even fired.)

PS - I am finding that north of the bridge is pretty much a whole other state.

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It's great up here.

The NRA instructors in my CCW class spoke at some length about the Castle doctrin, and I do not remember hearing anything about a duty to retreat.

Newaygo County. Less than 4 hours to anything. But, then, why would you wanna? Rivers and streams for trout, lakes for for panfish, pike and bass. Farmland, prairies, oak barrens and piney woods for elk, bear, deer, turkey and small game. Don't need a range. Walk or drive 5 minutes and you're in the Manistee National Forest or State Forest. Small towns, friendly people. Warm in the summer (relaxing, hiking, biking, boating etc) and snowy and cold in the winter (snomobiling, skiing etc) Camping anytime. The Great Lakes. Da UP, eh?
The Founders made America. God made Michigan.

Shooting stuff to do in Michigan:
http://www.firearmsalliance.org/phpEventCalendar/index.php?month=5&year=2005

If anyone has new events to add, send them to [email protected]

If you get caught without a permit you will get in trouble unless you're on active duty with the military or in LE then you're exempt, gun laws are listed on the NRA's website.

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So this is different from Indiana how?

Why, Because I told you that your state sucks? I say the same thing about a few other states. Freedom of speech, it's called the first Amendment so get over it

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So, since I could apply most of your criteria to Indiana as well, your state sucks too

And last I checked, Freedom of Speech applies to Congress not making laws. NOT to private property. YOU get over people calling you out.