The "Permission" to Keep and Bear Arms

You know...

Occasionally - even though I'm getting old or maybe because I'm getting old - I sometimes see the light at the end of the tunnel and imagine that there's hope for the US after all. I imagine that the continuous erosion of our freedoms grinds to a halt and our leaders recognize the damage they are doing to a once great nation. Eventually, the awakening results in the ideals built into the constitution once again being realized and that my grandchildren will live free.

When I start thinking that way I know I need a reality check. When that need arises I just do a search for messages by Centac - opens the ole eyes those messages do - then - when I remember that he is also an officer of the law - well - that's like a slap in the face and back into reality I snap.

There's hope for my grandchildren to live free - but as long as there're guys like Centac around they won't be able to do it without a fight.

Well I guess you told me.......dont let me stop you from wallowing in your delusions and self-pity.

Well I guess you told me.......dont let me stop you from wallowing in your delusions and self-pity.

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And don't bother answering any of the objections others may have brought to the forefront...

Well I guess you told me.......dont let me stop you from wallowing in your delusions and self-pity.

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Who's the one who doesn't want to discuss here?

Still waiting for someone who is not a convicted felon who is barred by law from possessing a firearm.............

Anybody?

Still waiting for someone who is not a convicted felon who is barred by law from possessing a firearm.............

Anybody?

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Before reading this post please open your mind, for a mind id a terrible thing to waste...

I am not a felono and I can not own a 20mm anti-tank rifle. How's that???


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We were endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, but it's always been a struggle between these rights and the desire of the state for power and control. This struggle didn't just come into existence since WWII. It existed the second the ink was dry on a Constitution that allowed slavery. And we've been fighting to secure our inalienable rights ever since. There will ALWAYS be conflict between the desire of the state to secure order and the desire of individuals to be free from the tyranny of the majority. To throw up your hands in defeat out of some weird notion that the Marines are going to invade Wyoming is nuts.

Besides, the idea that the Second Amendment is absolute would allow your neighbor to try to make his own high explosives without a license or training. If his house goes, so does your house. Do you think that's reasonable? I see no problem with people owning RPGs, but I do see a problem with people stockpiling explosive devices in their rooms. Their right to arm themselves ends at my right to have my body parts attached to one torso. Firearms don't go off on their own, but sometimes explosives do--ESPECIALLY if you dont' know what the devil you're doing.

The fact that my neighbor is a bomb maker has absolutely nothing to do with my rights. If that be the case then I would actually have to give up the multiple pounds of powder I have in my shop for relaoding...

Jesus wept. You are being so disingenius I am embarrassed for you.

Can I strap on the firearm of my choice and go anywhere I want with it? No. IF I submit to licensing and registration and fees arbitrarily set by some probably unelected bureaucrat I can go certain places with certain approved firearms.

Assuming, of course, I haven't made the wrong political enemies.

Assuming, of course, I don't live someplace like California or Illinois.

Assuming the Sheriff isn't a prick.

Assuming a soccer-mom doesn't see me and have me arrested for inspiring terror.

Assuming a cop doesn't see me, harrass me and then arrest me for resisting an officer.

For ten years I could not buy a new EBR unless it was nuetered. I could not put a mag in a rifle or pistol without at least considering whether I was breaking a stupid law.

Their right to arm themselves ends at my right to have my body parts attached to one torso. Firearms don't go off on their own, but sometimes explosives do--ESPECIALLY if you dont' know what the devil you're doing.

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That is correct. Rights are not a license to behave unreasonably. If while making nitro you cause damage to your neighbor's or their property, you should be held liable for any damage you do, both criminally and civilly. If a jury decides it was reckless behavior that resulted in harm to others, you should be imprisoned for it. No law which imposes a prior restrain, however, is justified in a free country.

Still waiting for someone who is not a convicted felon who is barred by law from possessing a firearm.............

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Anyone falling under the Lautenberg "misdemeanor gun ban", coffee can.

"I am not a felono and I can not own a 20mm anti-tank rifle. How's that???"

That's lame, because you arent willing to make the effort to move to any of the states or jurisdictions that'll allow you to.

Derby FALs

Good one ...I am ashamed I didn't think of that...

Anyone falling under the Lautenberg "misdemeanor gun ban", coffee can.

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"Anyone falling under the Lautenberg "misdemeanor gun ban""

Oh yeah this is heinous, not allowing people suspected of domestic violence to go armed until the case is investigated and adjudicated. Trying for the wife-beater lobby, are we?

the multiple pounds of powder I have in my shop for relaoding...

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If you're talking about smokeless powder, that's not an explosive and is entirely safe to store. I'm talking about high explosives.

No law which imposes a prior restrain, however, is justified in a free country.

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Prior restraint is only forbidden in certain cases involving free expression. It is allowed across the board in other matters. Attempted murder is still criminal even if nobody has been physically harmed at the time of the arrest. That is prior restraint. So are laws prohibiting conspiracy to commit a murder. If my neighbor is recklessly mixing high explosives in his kitchen, I should not have to wait for an explosion to level the block before his conduct becomes illegal.

Sorry the example got you, but you did ask for a non-felon (a misdameanor is not a felony, in case you didn't know that). Wether or not you agree with the example is of no importance...you asked for an example, we've given you plenty.

Ummmm....

The powder thing was an example of the way this goes...we allow a restriction based on something arbitrary like "bomb making materials" and then all of a sudden you have to pay a premium for powder to be shipped to your door....
Sound familiar?

But you do make a good point. Conspiracy to overthrow the gov't is a serious crime...I suppose some (if not all) of my posts here at THR could be used as eveidence that I am a subversive and should be locked up.

A little Orwellian for my taste...

Guys, this witty banter can go on all night, clearly discussion is over. I think I'll pack up some EBRs (all purchased on my dime, not the agencies') and call up my bud with the vector Uzi and will go out and do some shootin' while reflecting on how oppressed we are. I have a bunch of normal cap mags that havent been confiscated that need their springs exercised, and I may just fix bayonets while I'm at it, gotta use that lug once in awhile. I guess they evil gummint forgot about me when they were passing out oppression. Y'all feel free to bleat and cluck all ya want about how horrible things are, but rest assured the 2nd is in fine shape in my neck of the woods.

Oh yeah this is heinous, not allowing people suspected of domestic violence to go armed until the case is investigated and adjudicated. Trying for the wife-beater lobby, are we?

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Innocent until proven guilty. The divorce lawyers first move, typically, is to have the wife swear out an EPO on the husband effectively removing his RKBA. Regardless of the guilt or innocence...

Guys, this witty banter can go on all night, clearly discussion is over.

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Tuck your tail and run for the hills, coffee cans dragging behind you.

That's lame, because you arent willing to make the effort to move to any of the states or jurisdictions that'll allow you to.

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So, you honestly see no infringements here or you don't mind the infringements?

" The divorce lawyers first move, typically, is to have the wife swear out an EPO on the husband effectively removing his RKBA. Regardless of the guilt or innocence..."

Bull

Filing a false reprt is a crime, the wife goes to jail, the attorney gets sanctioned, possibly disbarred. If it happens, it is rare.

No, its his decision to make: own a Llahti and move, or stay put and whine.

He doesn't have another argument, so like the others he sticks to his talking points until he can't take the humiliation any longer, then "runs for the range" with all his "agency" buddies....

Bwahahahahaha!

Bull

Filing a false reprt is a crime, the wife goes to jail, the attorney gets sanctioned, possibly disbarred. If it happens, it is rare.

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Happens way more often than it should, with the wife getting away with it. In a perfect world this would be impossible as would getting your car searched over a coffe can...

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I'm from STex where the Duke of Duval held court til the IRS drug him into court.

I'm still pissed, GGfather(deceased 1942) came to town to vote for Kerry and didn't even call me.(that's a joke son, that's a joke, hmmmm)

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I was stationed at NAS Corpus Christi from 74-77 and remember folks referring to "Duval County Justice"