Online Build a 1911 Class

Tuner: Just wanted to make sure you're aware of this thread!

Awareness

Why, yes Rockstar...

Maybe you can still get in! Send a deposit, quickly!

Yeah, now I'm surely gonna have to unpack that popcorn popper.





Extra butter anyone (and don't call me Shirley)

I know Dean personally, he is one of the smartest guys I've ever met when it comes to 1911's.

I've shot a couple of his guns and they are amazing. If you're interested in learning how to build 1911's this would be a great way to learn.

Jeep: I was just funning a little with Tuner. I doubt that he needs to get hisself enrolled in an online 1911-building class.

Does Dean teach Dave's class?

Does Dean teach Dave's class?

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And the pot gets stirred again...

I ain't sayin' nuthin!

What does having an FFL have to do with gunsmithing.

It means you can ship the instructor the finished gun so it can be blued in the world famous Gunsite blueing tanks and then he can ship it back to you without going through another FFL.

That's what makes it the wonderful bargain that it is.








BRB need more popcorn.

I was serious about whether Dean participated in teaching the class, because there was a post about the high quality of Dean's 1911's. Thanks for the clarification. Still doubt that Tuner needs the class! Maybe I'm wrong about the "what does having an FFL have to do with gunsmithing" question, but it's my understanding that an FFL is required if one charges to work on another's firearm. I believe there's something about it being illegal for a non-FFL to keep another's firearm overnight for the purpose of working on that firearm. Maybe somebody can also clarify that.

Yes, under the GCA68 it is unlawful for someone who holds an FFL to keep another's firearm while it is being worked on UNLESS it is logged in that person's bound book. However if it is done while they wait, no recording is required.


Nothing is said about one friend loaning a gun to another friend who just happens to repair or modify it while they are borrowing it.

Neither is anything said about taking a gun to a friend who does repairs for a hobby.

Shipping a gun to anyone other than yourself, requires at least one FFL to be involved in the process.

In the case of the aformentioned builder's class in order to ship it away to be blued/inspected the owner must ship it to an FFL holder who then loggs each gun in their bound book. After it has been inspected/blued the FFL holder is required to ship it back to the original sender.

For example, if you buy a firearm from Joe's Gun Shop and it breaks and you then take it to Fred's Gun Shop to have them send it back for warranty repair then the repair station MUST send it back to Fred's Gun Shop.*
However if you had sent it directly to the repair station then they could lawfully ship it directly back to you.

*The exception would be if Fred's no longer held a valid FFL. Then a substitute FFL could be designated.



Ain't Federal law special?

For the Record

It's my understanding that it's not a gunsmithing course. The 12 students...experienced need not apply...start with a Caspian slide and frame,
and once the required fee is paid, receive a list of selected parts and tools,
including jigs and fixtures used for the checkering of the frontstrap...optional...necessary to complete the project. No deviation to the parts list is allowed.

After acceptance, they are given a password to a private website and the instruction is passed along to each one, and the lessons begin. After the kit is completed, the students send their gun in for evaluation and a grade...the guns are sent to be blued, and returned to the students.

'Bout all I know. To get the whole skinny, you'll have to gain acceptance and pay the fee.

I was informed you had to buy all of your own tools as well as the parts. And that both were in addition to the course fee.
Of course go/no-go headspace gauges are NOT needed.

But then that was a while ago and some things may have changed.
But I doubt it. Some things never change.

As I recall it turned out to be a rather pricey pistol.
But it did have an avante gard serial number.


Tuner is correct in that it isn't a gunsmithing course it's just a step by step build it yourself course.
From what I gathered you are told what to do but not always told exactly why you are doing it.

BB,

The real information, not the incorrect speculation, is available to those interested by contacting Dave or reviewing Stephan Camp's article about the class in the March/April '05 edition of American Handgunner.
I do not take an active role in enrolling students and would defer questions to Mr. Sample. I do thank you for your keen interest in the class though.

Bill

Tuner, still haven't gotten a complete answer on the link question, I haven't forgotten, but I've been a bit on the busy side.

Be good.

Tagged

I know im missing the story here, and i have a feeling its going to come out in an entertaining manner.

Never mind

Link Question

Bill sez:


...Still haven't gotten a complete answer on the link question, I haven't forgotten, but I've been a bit on the busy side...
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I feel yer pain. A second Easy-Fit netted another link just like the first one,
which leads me to believe that it wasn't a fluke...but done that way by intent.
I just can't figure out why...

At any rate, An out-of-spec Norinco and slide frame that I did recently required a full-fit barrel. (Needed the oversized lower lug.) Vertical tolerances in that particular gun wouldn't afford good vertical lug engagement and depth with an Easy-Fit. I opted for a Kart, and the results are as expected...Nothing short of 5 stars. Good barrels, Fred...Damn good.

incorrect speculation

All I am going by is what I was told when I was solicited to take the class almost two years ago.

Perhaps things have changed.


Good to see you again Bill.
I haven't seen you here in a while.
Hopefully business is good.

I don't know the history of what is going on with this thread, but I just finished the course (a gift from my wife) and can say I really enjoyed the course and instruction from Dave Sample and Bill. Dean was a big help as well. The result is a really nice 1911 based on a Caspian frame and slide.

This is not a gunsmithing course. Was never intended to be, but the knowledge you gain is quite valuable. My next gun will be a 1911 for my wife as a Christmas Present.

Oh yeah, here's the gun:

I took Dave Samples on line course in 2004 and ended up with a really nice 1911. It went to the 2005 shot show in Vegas with Mr. Sample. I could not be happier and feel it is worth every penny and every hour spent working on it. I would do this project with Mr. Sample again in a heartbeat.

The instructions were easy to follow and we knew why we were doing something. The quality of build was up to me and me only.

Just purely out of curiosity, does he still teach checking headspace with live rounds?

And the adventure continues.™