Shootout (History Channel Show)

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jtward01 said:
Yeah, I had to question some of the tactics used, too, if they were portrayed accurately. Let's see, you have insurgents on floors above and below you. You advance down the steps to where the insurgents are waiting in the dark, their eyes already adjusted to the lower light. You take fire and your people are wounded. You're surprised! NOW you decide to drop a few frag grenades down the steps. Why in hell didn't you lead with the frags before sending people down?

SOF guy goes upstairs and tosses in a flash-bang. A FLASH-BANG? Why not a frag grenade and take care of business?

Two guys go through a door onto a roof. BG starts shooting. Second Marine through the door is hit. First Marine runs back down steps leaving his buddy on the roof. Why wasn't he shooting at BG while BG was shooting his buddy? Why wasn't he courts martialed for turning tail?

One of the most interested parts to me was the story about the BG sniper who held his fire while the Marines recovered their dead. This BG may have allied himself with the insurgents now, but his actions are those of a professional soldier, not a terrorist.
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I can think of two reasons. I've never been in combat, so take this with a grain of salt. You don't know if the people are non-combatants. Remember our ROE is to keep colateral damage down. The MSM would take a dinm view a child being fraged.
 
I have seen some shows with mortars, rocket launchers, and air support. Depends on the battle I guess. That one was a company sized action in Iraq where a bunch of marines went in to recover a downed scout chopper and crew.
 
I enjoy the show - but as a previous poster pointed out, more for entertainment than for history or even for information. They did one that involved a fight for some fortifications in WWII (Seigfred Line I think) that was very well done... mainly because it included interviews from combatants on both sides. I think that tied the story together well and gave both accounts some credibility when they overlapped.

I've got some problems with a few of the Iraq shows they've done. Mostly tactical questions. Last night's show had a good example... the Marines enter a building they aren't expecting the hostages in (to set up a perimeter around where they think the hostage really is), and encounter fire immediately. One Marine falls inside, shot in both legs, the other one stumbles, wounded, back outside. Marine Officer and Army Special Forces Officer go in to retrieve the man wounded in both legs. Two Officers? Where are their NCO's, or why not one officer and an enlisted?

Just got me to thinking... I've been in the military long enough to know that this seems a little odd on the face of it... of course there could have been a myriad of circumstances that weren't portrayed.
 
Its a good show, I like to watch it also. They are filmed very well, but as others have said it is to be taken with a grain of salt. I’m sure they take some liberties when filming it to give a more action. Bottom line is I give it a thumbs up.
 
Ide like to see more about WW1 in general. It was eclipsed by WW2, it seems, which is a gosh darn shame. :cuss:

Anywho, i saw a shootout episode with some guys clearing a home in iraq. Was pretty good looking.
 
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Ide like to see more about WW1 in general. It was eclipsed by WW2, it seems, which is a gosh darn shame.

Anyone seen "The Lost Battalion". VERY good WW1 movie. Plenty of 1903, 1911, and 1917 action in that movie.:D I recorded it to my computer, I think I have it copied on a DVD somewhere.
 
jtward01 said:
Yeah, I had to question some of the tactics used, too, if they were portrayed accurately. Let's see, you have insurgents on floors above and below you. You advance down the steps to where the insurgents are waiting in the dark, their eyes already adjusted to the lower light. You take fire and your people are wounded. You're surprised! NOW you decide to drop a few frag grenades down the steps. Why in hell didn't you lead with the frags before sending people down?
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They weren't really sure where they were and didn't know that there was a cubby under the stairs. Rule of thumb is to not use what you have unless you know they are there and where they are. Otherwise, you may not have it when you need it. Waste not, want not.

SOF guy goes upstairs and tosses in a flash-bang. A FLASH-BANG? Why not a frag grenade and take care of business?
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There was a hostage. Don't ever kill the hostage. You think other nations hate us now???

Two guys go through a door onto a roof. BG starts shooting. Second Marine through the door is hit. First Marine runs back down steps leaving his buddy on the roof. Why wasn't he shooting at BG while BG was shooting his buddy? Why wasn't he courts martialed for turning tail?
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I got nuttin' fer this one. I wondered why he wasn't shotting myself.

One of the most interested parts to me was the story about the BG sniper who held his fire while the Marines recovered their dead. This BG may have allied himself with the insurgents now, but his actions are those of a professional soldier, not a terrorist.
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Some soldiers understand the respect that the dead and/or wounded deserve. To me, that is a true sign of the noble soldier. You know they will be back, let them give aid to those that have already paid for the ride. True, the sniper probably paid the ultimate price in the end (they don't actually know if they got him...) but I take my hat off to him for a noble, humane gesture in a chaotic situation.
 
Crosshair said:
KriegHund

Ide like to see more about WW1 in general. It was eclipsed by WW2, it seems, which is a gosh darn shame.

Anyone seen "The Lost Battalion". VERY good WW1 movie. Plenty of 1903, 1911, and 1917 action in that movie.:D I recorded it to my computer, I think I have it copied on a DVD somewhere.
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Aye, got it on blockbuster. Very fine movie indeed!

Im reading a series of books based off WW1 right now by harry turtledove, 'The great war" series. Good reads.
 
The Shootout series and some of the other history
shows sometimes mix archival footage of the actual
event, stock footage and reenactments. I would like
it better if the visual was captioned. I hate to try
to study detail in a video and realize oops re-enactor,
never mind.

I mean, I have seen HMS Barham blow up hundreds of
times over the past fifty years: every time a
documentary needs a ship exploding, they re-Ka-boom
poor old Barham.
 
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