Gun Nut Survey from Field & Stream

Arguing with an ati-gunner is like arguing with a parrot. No matter what you say they repeat the same BS everytime. Usually they have no experience with guns and are just repeating what their 'masters' say.

On contacting officials, I do when I have the time if they actually care about those they represent. So far all those I have communicated with seem to care about those they represent. However,many care about getting some recognition or power and don't give a damn about what the people want. The best way to stop those types is to keep them out of office to begin with. I vote on every issue I can. I truely believe that taking an active role in politics is a right and a responsibility.

If you don't vote or contact representatives, then you have no right to complain when things go against you.

I'll awnser the second one first:

Cynicism and voter apathy is a huge problem in America, not just among gun owners. It is, at the same time, the reason why extreamist senators (kennedy, finestien) and presidents who lack conviction (bush, kerry) get elected.

The first question is tied into the second:

The political landscape of America is getting more and more polarized into Red and Blue, Libs and Cons. This is disaterous for our political process, democracy is built on compromise, when neither side is honestly interested in makeing a working compromise nothing gets done. Now I personallly feel that we have compromised enough on the firearms issue and things are finnally starting to swing back into our favor. However, as things now stand with many curent issues the sides are more interested in a tug-a-war to win small victories toward getting their way rather than finding a solution that both sides could live with.

It's a big country and we all gotta live here.

Not surprising in the least...

Just take a look at VCDL's page for repealing the NPS ban.

Now, find ANY example of a co-petitioning organization other than VCDL or the Johnstown Rifle & Pistol Club actually doing something to help ...



Seriously, as a demographic, we are numerous, apolitical, asocial and opinionated, and quite frankly, lazy.

Try to organize ( especially via BBS ) gun owners behind a cause, any cause... No matter how it could be accomplished, you'll get very little follow through. We talk a good game, but when push comes to shove, the antis, fewer they may be, are far more coherent, on message and dedicated.

When I get postcards from NRA-ILA addressed to Boxer and Feinstein, I don't sign them. They don't represent me, and they are very vocal about refusing to represent me.

That's reality.

If I had a representative on the fence, I'd write. But why write to an anti-gun ideologue and a staunch supporter of authoritarian government?

No one's going to convince this Libertarian that banning pot has done anything but waste tax money and create a new criminal class. No one's going to convince Feinstein that a threaded barrel doesn't make a gun 10 times as deadly.

I am not a "nut"

Speaking only for myself, of course, I think that it's most unwise for people interested in firearms to call themselves "gun nuts" or any other kind of "nut." That's the way the Brady Campaign describes you and it's not a badge of honor or stability.

I’ve never considered Field and Stream or Outdoor Life to be pro-Second Amendment.

I posted this reply on another thread. But I thought it aappropriate for here. The thread I was writing to was about the California seizure by DOJ: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=182415

I know there has been a lot of griping about California, and some really believe that it is a lost cause. I'm not prepared to take that stand. The 2nd Amendment applies to everyone of us, individually and collectively. If we allow one to fall, I'm afraid it begins the domino effect. I think the problem is that the "gun grabbers' see the issue singularly, meaning they want to take YOUR guns. Whether it's your .50BMG, Grandpa's M-1 Garand, or Jr's 10/22. Don't kid yourselves, in their eyes they are all evil. So they are purpose driven. Each law, is like their personal footstep towards liberal utopia.

Gun owners unfortunately are a house divided. Hunters, Sporting Clays, Collectors, Handgunners, etc.... We each have our own interests and not much affinity for the others. I remember having a conversation recently with a fellow handgun shooter. The topic went to rifles and I started talking about my wife's AK. You would have thought I told him I had slept with his mom and sister.... at the same time. He actually had the audacity to say how he didn't believe they were legitimate weapons. As incredulous as this sounds, I believe it happens with unacceptable frequency. If we can not find common ground amongst each other, I fear we will be picked off one group at a time.

In addition, how many of our brethren are actually members of the NRA or state level groups?? I'm sure we have heard the poor stories "I haven't the time to join, I'm short on cash right now, I don't shoot rifles..... etc" or maybe we have even said them at one time or another. How many of us write or call our reps to keep them honest.

Now here we are questioning whether or not "dumping" more money into California is a good thing. One of the previous posts said "As California goes, so goes the United States...." You know what, if we don't stand unified, that adage may once again become a grave truth for gun owners. I would hate to see any other states end up like California because their local gun grabbing politicians feel that they can get away with it.

IMHO

I wish I could count all the rabble-rousing firebrand political types I read on internet gun forums who when I actually met them and asked for their help stated they weren't even registered to vote and didn't want to get involved.

Bartholomew Roberts,

Ain't that the truth!

Have time and money for Computer, ISP, bling bling and whatever.

39 cents and 15 min time to send a letter to Preserve Freedoms and Fight Tyranny...they do not have.

Never occurred to them that assisting another State getting CCW, assisting someone doing something for kids, other shooting disciplines, or anything , is a wise thing to do.

ONLY, if it affects them directly. Sad, really sad.

I agree that Pro-Gunners are a very divided group. We need to defend all gun rights and sports. I have no real interest in hunting (never got into it nor do I know if I will enjoy it or hate it) but I would like to know that the ability to keep a rifle for hunting deer or government officials is proected by the 2nd Amendment. We need solidarity in our movement.

taliv said:

i'm a gun nut. my use of the term to describe us effectively takes it away from anyone who wants to use it as a pejorative.

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You think so, huh? I wonder if that might help to explain the general public's sense that gun owners are nuts.

I know people that are not politically active because they thinks it does no good and that gun ownership is seen as bad.

Anyway I contact my reps even if others don't.

I’ve never considered Field and Stream or Outdoor Life to be pro-Second Amendment.

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I was given a dual subscription to Outdoor Life and Field & Stream as a gift. I actually find Outdoor Life to be very pro-gun. I have seen many pro-gun articles and editorials on non-hunting firearms, including "assault weapons" over the last two years. Field & Stream is the John Kerry of outdoor magazines. I remember getting it many years ago and really enjoying it, but its current itteration seems to be nothing more than "Outside Magazine-Lite" (and I think they hired some of the same snotty, arrogant, lycra-wearing writers).