What would you improve about your state's CCW law?

ksnecktieman, Grant48, xd9fan, coltrane679, WolfMansDad... all have the right idea.

The only law we need on firearms is the one that says that my right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Anything else is, by definition, infringement.

If you commit a crime... then you should be punished for that crime. What difference does it make if that crime was commited using a firearm, or your bare hands?

If you are a free citizen of this nation, you should be able to purchase, and carry, concealed or open, any firearm your heart desires and your wallet can afford.

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I'll chime in for the ol' police state of Georgia.

Georgia laws is anti-gun to the core. Probate judges has discretionary power to issue firearms license and most do not issue within the 60 day time limit, which makes GA a "may issue" even though the law says "shall issue".

The places off-limits to carry exceeds even that of the states that are either no issue or hardly ever issue.

The places off-limits are as follows;

Public Gatherings - which are athletic or sporting events, churches or church function, political rallies or functions, publicly owned or operated buildings, and establishments were alcoholic beverages are sold for cosumption on the premises. - oh and the definition of a "public gathering" is not limited to those 5 areas. The courts have rule that any event or function that the public gathers or will gather for is a public gathering too and thus off limits. Gotta love the ambiguity there!

Oh wait there is more!

Any type of public transportation and/or transportation depots, terminals, bus stops, and airports. This even inlcudes an "area in close proximity to.." the public transportation depot/terminal/stop. It gets worse - it is a felony offense if you're caught carrying a weapon in these places. If it is a private company providing public transportation or "charters" then you must have written permission from the private company to board the bus, rail vehicle, or aircraft they own with your weapon.

Still more...

Wildlife management areas. No loaded weapons allowed in vehicles even if you're just passing through on the road that just happens to cross into a WMA. During hunting seasons you can posses a loaded weapon outside your vechicle on the WMA, but it has to a weapon that is allowed to hunt for whatever particular game is in season. The silver comet trail goes through the Paulding Forest WMA, A perfect place for predators to find un-armed victims.

State Parks are off-limits. Firearms must be unloaded. Criminals trespass charge if caught carrying.

The State Capitol is off-limits, but it is also covered under the public gathering law as well.

School property and school zones are quasi carry if you have a license, but only while picking up or dropping off a student or just passing through the zone.

Within the guard lines of jails or prisons is off limits to weapons as well. In some jails this area also includes the visitor parking area - a place where no inmate will ever be or have access too. A felony offense for just having it in your car if the parking area is within the guard line.

And lastly Stone Mountain Park, which is publicly funded, but privately owned and operated, has the power to create ordinances that prohibit the possession of firearms anywhere on park property, clearly in violation of the states pre-emption law. But otherwise law-abiding folk get carted off to the clink nonetheless for Stone Mountain's illegal law.

The things I would like see changed in GA is;

The places off-limits narrowed down to just "secured areas" of public buildings and transportation terminals. Keep the guard line law for jails and prisons, but the guard line has to be established to where inmates commonly are and will be and not in areas were there will not be any(parking lots).

Change the Georgia Firearms License to a Gerogia Concealed Weapon and Firearms License. Openly carrying of non-pistol type weapons is ok without a permit. It makes no sense that one has a license to carry openly or concealed a firearm, but prohibited from carrying a concealed knife, bludgeon, ect while licesned to carry a firearm as well.

And Lastly,

Take the issuance of firearms licenses away from probate judges and give it to another department of government that is more competent with the laws of the state and will adhere to "shall issue"

There, I am off the bitchbox for now :banghead:

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I'd like to see Kansas have reciprocity with Utah...

That way I could avoid taking the Kansas class and carry on the Utah permit. We may still get it, as the State Attorney General has not yet listed the provisions of reciprocity with any state yet. Most people are assuming we will have reciprocity with Missouri, as residents of the Kansas City Metro in Kansas and Missouri share the state line.

FB01--

You cite the great expansions of governement power over private parties in the last 40+ years as a good thing (apparently) and something we should just continue to build on.

Uh, where, exactly, do you see this trend leading?

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I didn't say it was a good thing. You said previously that you had yet to hear of an example to the contrary regarding government enforcement/intrusion of the BOR, I was merely pointing out examples of where they had done so. There are SOME good elements of the government protecting certain rights, such as "shall not infringe", etc. OTOH, I don't smoke but I abhor the laws mandating no smoking, it's your place - you should choose if you want smoking or not.

As I said, I don't think it's proper for one right to necessarily trump another. In this case, I believe that private property open to the public should not preclude the 2nd amendment. How that expands the government's power is beyond me.

and the First Amendment is not going to do you a damn bit of good, nor should it--and this same result will apply if your boss is Ma & Pa fruit stand or Wal-Mart. Size, "open to the public", "corporations", and all the other ad hoc crap people have pulled out in this thread doesn't matter.

The Second Amendment is no different, and I've yet to hear a single damn explantion to the contrary, just a lot of whining about what people "want" and why the government should make other people give it to them.

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I wish I could understand the element of anger here. Is it anger that racial discrimination was made illegal, forever altering the concept of property rights? Personally, I wouldn't mind building on that, saying that you can't put out a sign that says '"no CCW license holders allowed unless disarmed and leaving your rights by the curb.". Gun ban signs mean nothing to anyone else. Criminals wouldn't care and would walk right in.

As far as ND goes, I'd get rid of the usual laundry list of no carry places, as well as a rewording of the recipicality law so that we unilaterally recognize other state's permits. Ours would actually be recognized in more states if we did.

coltrane679 said:

So, owners cannot condition entry onto their private property as they wish?

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So I take it you'd have no objections to a business posting a sign "No Blacks, No Jews, No Irish".

Another law that needs to be changed, and I can't believe this slipped my mind.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=43.06.220

RCW 43.06.220
State of emergency - Powers of governor pursuant to proclamation.

(1) The governor after proclaiming a state of emergency and prior to terminating such, may, in the area described by the proclamation issue an order prohibiting:
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(e) The possession of firearms or any other deadly weapon by a person (other than a law enforcement officer) in a place other than that person's place of residence or business;

Ten states (LA, FL, AK, ID, KY, NH, MS, SC, OK and VA) have fixed their laws post-Katrina--at least insofar as preventing seizures if not permitting CCW during a disaster.

!) Shorten the wait
2) Not have CCW permit applicants waiting in the same group as strippers, bartenders, dealers (Casino dealers,, not drugs) getting their sheriff's card
3) Not require qualification on every gun that's to be carried concealed (currently, NV lists each gun allowed on the CCW permit- If you buy another gun, you have to qualify, and submit the paperwork and wait for a new CCW permit to arrive before you carry it).
4) Lower the fee, currently $105

Northslope Nimrod said:

4. I would remove any fee for the permit.

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I don't so much mind a reasonable fee for permit processing. As long as that fee goes to the work done to issue the permit, as opposed to going into a state's General Fund or other bureaucratic money pit.

However, I feel that it would be much better if permits just weren't required at all.

So I take it you'd have no objections to a business posting a sign "No Blacks, No Jews, No Irish".

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I'd have plenty objection to it--I certainly wouldn't patronize such a business, which wouldn't be around very long anyway, because it would fail.

I do have an objection to the government dictating who I have to allow on my property, do business with, rent to, etc. If people want to make dumb, offensive choices in such mattes, that is their choice--and they should suffer the consequence of doing so which, I would surely hope, is ostracism and failure in today's world.

The position I am exposing is excatly that put forward by Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, among many others, in the mid-60s. The fact that people here cannot even comprehend it with assming racial animus (i.e. "playing the race card") only proves my point about the overwhelimng vicotry of the Left in defining the acceptable terms of debate in this country over the last 40 years--which is why you have a so-called "conservative" in the White House, and a Republican Congress, that have overseen the greatest growth in government power AND spending ever.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves."

New Mexico:

1) Remove the recently enacted provision that you can only carry one concealed weapon at a time. (who thought that was a good idea?)

2) Remove the restrictions on carrying where alcohol is served or sold. Possibly institute some provision for having your permit revoked if found to have a BAC over a certain limit while carrying.

3) Lower the fees, extend the term of the permit.

4) Eliminate the mid-point re-qualification requirement.

As far as private property holders being allowed to restrict carry, if it is their property, that is their right. I can choose not to patronize them. I believe that if enough of us calmly explain to business owners that we cannot and will not spend our dollars at their establishments due to concerns for our safety will work wonders in getting signs to come down.

The fact that people here cannot even comprehend it with assming racial animus (i.e. "playing the race card") only proves my point about the overwhelimng vicotry of the Left in defining the acceptable terms of debate in this country over the last 40 years

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Give the man a cigar!

Everyone here should read White Guilt by Shelby Steele.

...IMHO the second amendment means what it says.

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I agree 100%. Why are their restrictions on the 2nd amendment? This is the only amendment with restrictions placed on it. Imagine what the leftist media would do if all of a sudden it was restricted?

As for my expectations: 100% shall-issue open or concealed carry everywhere except courts (for obvious reasons). In ALL states. I live in MD with a will-issue permit law, and a CCW lisence is virtually impossible to obtain. Yet the MD courts have stated that the police are under no obligation to protect the citzens of the state. Yet we aren't allowed to defend ourselves.

All this is yet another reason I hate MD & its politics. :banghead:


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