"We're all prisoners now"

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Honestly I would take my chances with exploding planes.

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OK....so you're at 30,000 feet and the side of the plane has just been blown out, your wife and kids are screaming as you're spinning downward at 1,000mph towards the ground. I'll just bet you're thinking "yeah, but at least they coudn't listen to my cell phone conversation yesterday. It's ALL worth it"

It's 9-11-01. You're on the 101st floor of WTC. You're getting barbecued in the fuel heat and smoke. Your lungs are frying and choked. You can't breathe. Your skin is starting to blister

You know in a few minutes you're dead. Period.

Wonder if you'd feel the same if you were there.

Wonder if the first thing you'd worry about would be the "rights" of the players at GITMO??

It's real easy to have bravado at the keyboard.

While I'm not particularly interested in dumping all my rights, I'm wonder where the balancing point is.

Chill out, Biker, and think about whether that post belongs on the High Road.

It's 9-11-01. You're on the 101st floor of WTC. You're getting barbecued in the fuel heat and smoke.

Wonder if you'd feel the same if you were there, or if you wife or kids were there.

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You could also be stabbed by a mugger, struck by lightning, die in a car crash, or die in any number of tragic ways. Living at liberty is not guaranteed to be safe. Your questions, therefore, make no sense. If I was about to die in a car wreck, and you stopped time to ask me if government should have forced all car manufacturers to make car bodies out of three inch thick tempered steel, I'd probably say yes. When you are about to die, you are only thinking of staying alive, AT ANY COST. We cannot make our laws based on what people who are about to die might like.

It's real easy to have bravado at the keyboard.

While I'm not particularly interested in dumping all my rights, I'm wonder where the balancing point is

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Uncompromised liberty is where I would draw the line. By the way, the definition of liberty (when discussing politics) is that state in which the government takes no actions which infringe upon your individual rights.

Uncompromised liberty is where I would draw the line. By the way, the definition of liberty (when discussing politics) is that state in which the government takes no actions which infringe upon your individual rights.

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Oh sure, go ahead, be absolutely right, see if anyone cares.



Of course, I agree 100%.

NineSeven, you are most wise.

Hmmm, another quasi enforcement agency legislating through internal memo. I swear I have never seen anything like this from our over stuffed bureaucracy before.

Hmmm, another quasi enforcement agency legislating through internal memo.

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I remember when the ATF would take things further than what a law said as
well, such as the whole "sporting purposes" clause. I remember how gun-owners
b'ed about that one for years on end.

I can't believe some of you people are still arguing how this supposedly
improves our security while travelling. It doesn't. I see glaring holes in
the federal register publication as written, but I obviously won't go
into them here.

Suffice to say the old proverb that remind us about people "willing to
trade security for freedom deserve neither." We've arrive at that time.
That said, now get out of your hovels (in the planned and heavily covenanted
subdivision) and go to work --snap snap my little (mortgage) serfs!
Boo-ha-ha!

Sam Adams is a little boy from Clairemont who loves fire engines. But the Transportation Security Administration associates his name with a potential terrorist.

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I don't think I can take the irony.

I went to Europe (Germany and Italy) about a month ago on a business trip. I rode several trains, and all the conductors wanted to see was my ticket. You can walk up to the ticket counter and make your purchase with cash, ride the train anywhere you want, and nobody will ask you for ID.

The german passport agents (getting into and out of the E.U.) were all very friendly, and they don't appear to keep a record of who comes in or goes out. They just look at your passport, stamp it, and wish you a pleasant stay. With their green uniforms and pleasant demeanor, they seem more like park rangers than policemen.

Coming back into the U.S. was a nightmare! Forms to fill out, four or five checkpoints to go through. When your country has more bureaucracy and travel restrictions than the birthplaces of fascism, you know you are in trouble.

Coming back into the U.S. was a nightmare! Forms to fill out, four or five checkpoints to go through.

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Hey, keep complaining and you won't be able to leave after 1-14-07.....

Tell me again how we need a wall along the border manned with snipers.