Illegal Aliens in Houses With Guns??

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Today I walked into my apartment and found 3 men who didnt speak English working. I received no advanced warning of this, and even though all my guns are in a large safe I was worried. If they are illegally here and thus are felons, does that have any reprocussions for me as a gun owner?

I want to cover my butt legally, but I would also like to have a legal reason to keep my landlord from allowing them access to my home.
 
Last I heard being in the country illegally was not a felony. Have I been misinformed? For that matter, do you have proof that these men were here illegally?
 
1) being in the country illegally is not a felony ... in fact it may not even be a crime (the act of crossing the border is the crime).

2) just because they are in your house doesn't mean they have access to your firearms (at least not in the legal sense that you're worried about).

3) you weren't "harboring" them, they just happened to be working there (and I'm assuming you didn't hire them) so you're in the clear.


that said, I'd not have been comfortable with them there either ... regardless of the guns I keep.


Oh and IANAL ;)
 
Well this ended up happening twice today and I called the office and explained that I dont feel comfortable having people who cant communicate in English working with heavy tools in my apartment. Stupidly I explained that my wife and I both have to work with firearms on a daily basis and while we keep them in a large gunsafe, 3 men with heavy power tools could probably defeat the safe given enough time and I wanted to be able to communicate with people I may find in the apt. She said she would make sure one of us was home or that a supervisor was available in the future. Hopefully I dont find a swat team waiting for me in case she calls the police in a panic because of evil guns.....
 
Under federal law, being in the country illegally is a misdemeanor, not a felony.

But yeah, I understand your point. I wouldnt feel comfortable with ANY strangers in my home unattended, illegal aliens or not.
 
It seems that it's not illegal to be an illegal alien in this country. It is illegal to smoke in a great many places, however.

So remember that it's okay to cross the border illegally as long as you don't smoke.

I get so confused sometimes.
 
How do you know they were illegal aliens?

And it is illegal to be in this country illegally, hence the implications before illegal.

Can you elaborate Robert Hairless? And I hope the original poster went with someone else who suits their needs in regards to a work crew. IF they were illegal and the original poster knows about it, he/she is just as bad as the illegal aliens.
 
It IS illegal to be in this country illegally.

However, it is not a crime.

You can be deported, but you can't be thrown in jail for it.

And if you think about it for a second, that makes sense. It would be silly to punish someone for being here by forcing them to stay here.
 
In my time working at the county lock-up, I hardly, if ever saw anybody with an INS detainer from south of the border, in for res burg, etc, who had been actively employed... Most Illegals I've run across, who are working, generally are law abiding, and tend more to get in trouble for dui's, dwls, or in the worst cases, having consensual relations with underage south of the border (15-ish) girls....
On the other hand, most of the thieves, burglars, and such were white (whiskey tangos mostly)tended to be employed in the housing trades and I'd feel more comfortable having most of the illegals who have alot more to lose for petty theft, etc, than some of the human trash whom where born right here in the US of A... and feel entitled to steal from those with more than them.... Or commit to memory places to rob from their work history when the go back on a meth bender...
I think our deportation program should go back 10 generations... Or we should start our own penal colony ala old timey Australia :)
 
How do you know they're here illegally if you can't communicate with them? I guess that would mean that you didn't ask them?

If they are in fact illegal aliens, why did your landlord hire them? That doesn't sound right.

I'd get right on the landlord's buttocks about that. It really doesn't jive well. People you don't know about having access to your home? People that you find shady and wont/cant communicate with you are in your place without your prior knowledge with powertools? Screw that.
 
Generally are law abiding, and tend more to get in trouble for dui's...
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Lol, in my part of the country these offenses would not be defined as law abiding. But hey pass the bowl man, going back to sleep....:rolleyes:

INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.

97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.

66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers
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Yep you were right they are law abiding, no harm no foul fishy smell. JLStorm I have no idea what you might be worried about.
 
As a landlord, I have to give written notice to my tenant that I will be entering her unit for maintence. Unless it's an emergency, I cannot "show up unannounced" in her unit.

On the other hand, when I was renting a place with my girlfriend, I heard a knock. I was alone, busy writing a paper for school. Then I heard a key in the door, but the chain was locked. It was my landlord, saying he had to test the smoke detectors. I asked about no notice, but he didn't answer my question. I told him in the future, he had to give me notice before entering. He didn't say anything. I called the city housing department to complain about unannounced entry, but they never did anything either.
 
"I hardly, if ever saw anybody with an INS detainer from south of the border, in for res burg, etc, who had been actively employed... Most Illegals I've run across, who are working, generally are law abiding, and tend more to get in trouble for dui's, dwls..."

Lacoochee, why not read more than you spout next time... and your stats are all from "borderdefense" civilain type sources... You may want to use "from" as a pre-tag, as some stats might be from the FBI, but others look somewhat fictional... Does the FBI track med expenses? And I don't smoke pot, so you can keep your bowl, and tinfoil helmet... Are you in housing trades, did I offend you?

Cheers.

I live in washington BTW, and I'm sure the border states have a different comp of criminals, so...
 
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JLStorm, would you have felt any better if there were 3 'white' guys in your apartment? how about orthodox jews? The way I see it you have a problem that needs to be taken up with your landlord. Assuming your problem is that these guys may be illegal aliens is moot IMO. It's not like you get to run everyone thru NICS before you give your landlord the nod on anyone entering your apartment. How sure are you that your landlord isn't a felon?
 
Don't know where you are(why don't people give their
location?),but in California,a landlord has to give
you 24 hour notice that hes coming in.I'd be a little
upset as well.I too have firearms in a safe,as well
as other stuff.As a contractor,I do the repairs on the
duplex I rent,so the landlord leaves me alone!:neener:
 
JLStorm, would you have felt any better if there were 3 'white' guys in your apartment? how about orthodox jews? The way I see it you have a problem that needs to be taken up with your landlord. Assuming your problem is that these guys may be illegal aliens is moot IMO. It's not like you get to run everyone thru NICS before you give your landlord the nod on anyone entering your apartment. How sure are you that your landlord isn't a felon?
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I would feel better if I knew I wasnt paying to aid illegal's and I would also feel better if I could communicate with someone I found in my apartment. I cant ask them, why are they here, what they are doing, or even who they work for. I know they are not citizens, and my landlord was not able to confirm or deny that they have green cards. Sure some white guy that I could talk to could be a criminal, but I would feel comfortable betting money that these people are illegal and definitely shouldnt be in this country let alone working in my home. They obviously dont care about our laws, that is at least one step in the wrong direction.
 
Just curious, do you consider every blue collar hispanic you meet to be an illegal alien? Poor or nonexistent English skills is prevalent among legal immigrants as much as it is among illegal immigrants and yet many illegals can speak perfect English as well.
 
Well, if nothing else, this is a strong argument for gun owners to also be home owners and not renters...

Nio
 
Nio,
I thought the same thing. Lord willing I never have to go back to an apartment. I had a friend lose everything in an apartment because someone else started a fire in their apartment falling asleep smoking or something stupid like that.
 
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I cant ask them, why are they here, what they are doing, or even who they work for
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Wouldn't it be safe to assume the answers to all of these point to your landlord? You rent. I guess I just see it differently than you. When I rented, a long time ago, I'd have had a big issue with 3 guys-any color-in my apt. with no prior notice. The "They obviously dont care about our laws" is an entire seperate issue. And not one that needs to be discussed on a forum for shooters.
 
3 orthodox jews in my house, I'd feel blessed!
Anybody else (except Japanese tradesmen) I'd want to hang around if I didn't know them.
 
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