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I don't carry. I especially don't carry in the house. My toddler still nurses and she climbs all over me.

Tonight we had a small scare--someone robbed one of the stores a couple blocks away and ran away into our neighborhood. Possibly shots fired, not sure though. Definitely a ruckus, and about six police cruisers parked around the block for an hour or so.

Got me thinking again about placing guns strategically. Baby is still young enough that guns can easily be placed out of reach. House has a central living/dining room, with front door. To one side is bed/bath area. Bedroom has the 870 and #4 shotshells. Bedroom also has the 9mm, in a quick to open carry case with a mag of JHP. Kitchen currenty has nothing. Couple round of the #4 game loads. Kitchen is accessible to the basement, that has the other shotgun (along with the other long guns, but I'd hesitate to put those in the plan at all--a Mosin 91/30 and a Marlin 60). The plan is to head for the basement if there's trouble, but that's not a great plan.

No good way to keep anything we have in the kitchen. When there's something alarming, like tonight, the pistol travels with me.

Wish there was something better in the kitchen side of the house, but it's just nt practical to keep my nice range gun in the kitchen. I'm picking up a .22 pistol (maybe revolver) sometimes soon and thinking about keeping that in the kitchen, on the theory that .22 is better than nothing.

I'm gonna switch the shotshells to game loads. This is at least the second or third time this has happened here. The neighborhood is great, but the shops adjacent have problems sometimes.

I dunno. Nothing like a fugitive on the block to make you rethink your defensive planning.
 
SM, the problem is the nursing baby. I'm not comfortable wearing a gun when my curious toddler is climbing all over me, nursing too, so keeping it out of reach is just about impossible. The combination of loaded gun and baby both hanging on me is just not something I'm ok with.

I'm not even worried yet about locking them up--she's too little to reach them and speedy access is more important.
 
A VERY strong holster might be the answer. I know you don't want to carry at home, but I was thinking maybe only because you have concealed carry holsters meant to retain and be concealable. Here is a Blackhawk! SERPA holster that if you haven't tried you need to. It is made for COPS and to prevent BGs from wrestling the gun out during conflict.

http://www.blackhawk.com/product1.asp?P=44H1&C=C1069

They also have this holster that completely covers the pistol. If you don't mind wearing the monster.

http://www.blackhawk.com/product1.asp?P=40XP00&C=C0897


Hope this helps, otherwise putting guns around the house out of reach is probably the best bet, but it just makes me nervous because they're accessible to everyone.

Good luck and God bless
-rjohnson4405
 
Stay away from the SERPA period,.

a pocket gun is good choice,
as well as a fanny7 pack to wear around the house.
or even a smith wesson mp compact. with the magazine disconnect
that way you may have a round chanmbered and a magazine removed or close at hand without worry of the gun going off. those are just options.
we cant be there. you need to do is try several ideas options dry then decide which is best/
 
Have you ever tried a hammerless/concealed hammer pocket revolver like a S&W 642? Something like that in a good leather pocket holster should be as immune as you can get to causing problems while being climbed all over by a youngster.

I am firmly convinced that having a concealable, safe firearm on your person while at home (and away, if that's possible) is a better option than trying to stash a gun everywhere you might happen to need one around the house. With one good gun on your person, it goes everywhere you go and you can never be 'cut off' from it anywhere in the house or yard by an intruder who shows up unexpectedly.

Best wishes no matter what you decide,

lpl/nc
 
Booner,

Not trying to hi-jack the thread but why stay away from the SERPA? I have heard nothing but good things about them and had nothing but good experiences with them.

Thanks,
rjohnson4405
 
The combination of loaded gun and baby both hanging on me is just not something I'm ok with.
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Why? Danger doesnt automaticly escalate with an infant or toddler. A handgun in a holster is just as safe with the baby in your lap as it would be with her in her crib.

I worry more about getting in a car accident, and I drive a tank.
 
RJ there have been many many issue with the serpa holster i have and other have seen first hand do a search. for them i have also seen then get jammed were they wouldn't release., and a ND with one i watched happen.

now again think TTP"S can you draw with it from your weak hand?
there are many threads do a quick search.

Myself and many notable trainers have seen these issues and more.
 
perhaps you could carry your pistol on you while at home, only leaving the chamber empty???
seems it would be quicker to rack the slide to chamber a round then it would be to run to the bedroom and retrieve a firearm.
just my $.02
 
Wow, I keep forgetting there's women on the internet sometimes :banghead:

So you've got a gun, and you put it by the door. What if BG comes in that door first?

Or you hide it.. can you get to it under stress? If the gun's in a clever cubby next to the fridge, and someone's kicking in your garage door (that opens to the kitchen) I'd be much more inclined to run upstairs and face off from there..

What I see is fourish guns, two of them I would (personally) consider viable for HD/SD, and those are both in the bedroom.. getting your patoot up those stairs at first sign of trouble is a good plan, and the staircase is a choke point for anyone trying to get at you.. but instead of buying another gun to plant it somewhere, putting you at a disadvantage whenever you're not that somewhere, why not have one that goes with you?

I second the pocket gun. I'm sure the kiddo occupies both hands and 98% of the brain, but it's one thing to crawl all over you and another entirely to create a dangerous situation with a gun in your pocket (you said she was still nursing)
 
I would say to carry the gun in condition three.

There's no conceivable way a toddler could pull your pistol out of your (concealed) holster, RACK THE SLIDE, and pull the trigger.
 
I am firmly convinced that having a concealable, safe firearm on your person while at home (and away, if that's possible) is a better option than trying to stash a gun everywhere you might happen to need one
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Absolutely agree. Kel-Tec P3AT is so light, even when loaded, you forget you have it on. Nicely accurate. Slide racks easily -- even my wife (who has some arthritis in her hands) can rack it quickly. Carry with magazine full but nothing in the chamber, perfectly safe with babies. Now, when the kids get old enough and strong enough to rack that slide, a change would be recommended. But for now, the little Kel-Tec and carrying might be a good option.
 
Yeh, I'm starting to see the merits in just carrying. Probably easier than keeping guns and suitable ammo in 2-3 locations throughout the house. And it will be a while until she can rack the slide. I daresay that discretion and gun safety skills will likely come before racking the slide type dexterity.

To be fair, my freaked-outness derives from the first time I fell asleep on the couch and woke to see her doing a pretty good job of figuring out how to open my pocket folder.
 
To be fair, my freaked-outness derives from the first time I fell asleep on the couch and woke to see her doing a pretty good job of figuring out how to open my pocket folder.
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Jeez! :eek:

So put the 870 in the crib and retreat to there! :p

I was one of those kids. Mom's favorite story was how she'd always buckle me in to the shopping cart seat, because whenever she'd turn to get something, I'd be hanging by my ankles from the safety strap by the time she made it back around to the cart.

Then something with a manual safety, or a kel-tec with a their usual immensely heavy and long trigger (I say that in the spirit of undying love and affection for keltec), is a good plan. Until your kid figures out how the israeli draw works :uhoh:
 
delta9 ~

Retention holsters are a great invention.

Um. You could probably wear a tube top around your midsection, and slide it down to cover the gun while you're nursing, to keep the gun more-or-less concealed from the little one, and padded a bit too.

pax
 
If carrying on your person isn't feasible because of a curious, active toddler then strategic placement of firearms will require that the they be secured not merely hidden or placed "out of reach". How many tragedies occur every year due to "out of reach" guns being reached?

For handguns I favor lock boxes with mechanical Simplex locks rather than battery operated electronic locks. Securing long guns presents more difficultly.
I like "Lifejacket" locks but they are key operated and hence not all that quick to access.

Personally, I'd try to make "on person" carry work.
 
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