Honda anti-gun??

The commercial is NOT anti it is anti gas guzzler, or somewhat anti-violent movies. another thing didn't Ford donate to Brady?

Getting hit with bullets is harmful, I don't see what's so anti-gun about that, it's common sense.

Don't see it as anti-gun, kinda funny actually.

My friend has had a Honda for years now and still loves it.

Well, as someone who has been around this block a few times....

I didn't like the commercial...

NOW, how can we best bitch?

Any of y'all on rifle teams, or into competitive shooting? It is YOU who need to be bothering the company's ad agency...

Oh, and ALL the dealerships you have within driving distance... Call, and ask for the sales manager...

Yeah, that's evil-grin time right there...

'tch. It's a good ad. Not pro or anti. Doesn't help us to go out like the antis and kick up a fuss over every little thing - they're the hysterical crazies, not us. We're the reasonable guys. And I do include the ladies in that definition of 'guys'.

Cause they are threatening and are making american car companies extinct. Plus if you get into an accident in one their safety isn't that hot.

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Please. US companies rely far too much on patriotism to sell cars. American automobiles don't sell in the rest of the world. That's because they suck and are overpriced, and the rest of the world has never had a 'buy american' campaign.

The japanese and germans don't *need* a 'buy x nationality' campaign - their product stands on its own strengths.

As for safety standards - the safest cars in the world are made in, of all places, France. Imagine that.

I first saw this ad about a week ago one morning before I went to work. I viewed it as somewhat anti gun, in kind of a subtle way, simply because the bad guys' intent was still the same after they switched to the 'harmless' water guns. It's just another way of putting the blame on the object rather than the person using the object. They were still up to the same sinister activities, but now it was ok. Not trying to take it too seriously, just what I first thought.

I have to admit their commercial is interesting in that it removes the 'this is bad' label from the very products they have produced for decades and places it on something that a lot of people view as bad, then places the 'this is good' label on what they make right now.

If they have had such terrible build quality for SO LONG they would have had trouble long ago.

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Actually they did have problems LONG ago. At least I consider the 1970's and 1980's to be long ago in terms of the automobile. For most of my life "American" car companies have had "problems," but we were asked to ignore them and "buy American" anyway.

I used to do that.

They're Japanese, what did you expect?

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Well, my father-in-law is Japanese and was until retirement a high level Honda executive. He was a some-time shotgunner. He has no problem with his daughter, my wife, carrying a concealed handgun when and wherever possible -- just as I expected.

Of course as a still active aikido 6th dan, he may see gun people as wimps.

Actually, almost everyone uses plastic intake manifolds. It's a good response to the pesky public's demand for cheaper and lighter cars.

I've got one in my Plymouth Neon, and have never had any problems with it over 160k+ miles so far. It was also a lot easier to port for a larger throttle body. The runners are so slick and smooth inside, that polishing the intake tract is no longer a hotrodding trick for this type of car.

The old "buy American" line has become a casualty of the modern times, destroyed by labor unions, foreign manfacturing advances, and the one-world mindset of government. We may discuss any product, be it autos or firearms, and see the onset of imports into the market. (Did anybody own a Glock forty years ago?) During WWll, the production of arms and motor transport was, for all practical purposes, destroyed in Germany and Japan. Germany, because of its previous history in WWl, was not allowed to rebuild as Japan was. Hence, they had brand new factorys in 1950 while the U.S. was repairing and retooling old plants. The results are evident in this report:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/used-cars/used-cars-best-and-worst-406/index.htm

To go along with this, NAFTA allowed the cheap labor of non-union workers so the American companies could have the products assembled without the headaches of contracts and further plant maintance.

I like the rice-burners, they are dependable and economical, as well as stylish. I do, however, still love my Z71 4WD!

I love Honda's, that's all I drive, and probably will ever drive. So long as they put out a quality product. When I was younger my dad bought a brand new 1991 Civic, it lasted up until 230K-ish miles. That seems to be more the norm as far as Hondas. My last Civic, a 1993 LX, which I just sold to my cousin was pushing 210K, still ran fine. The only reason I sold it was because I had it for 6 years and wanted something newer. So now I have a 1998 Civic EX. Sure there are some American cars that will go that long, but it seems to be the exception, not the rule. That all being said, I still love to ride in my buddies old Monte Carlo, which will pin you to the seat when you mash the gas.

To stay on topic: Guns are good, mmmkay?

I saw this Honduh ad during the previews when I went to see the movie Hitman (pretty ironic )

Good thing is that in the movie itself (Hitman) Mr. 47 (bald guy ) asks another guy "when is it ok for a Good man to kill?" and he replies something like "when I feel that he is a threat to the health and wellbeing of myself or my loved ones" which I thought was a pretty good pro-self-defense statement.


But yeah even my friend who was with me at the movie (who is also very pro-gun) said that there were so many things wrong with that ad.

So, Honda says guns are a "harmful thing", eh?

Guess I won't be buying a Honda.

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It wouldn't surprise me. Japan never recovered a gun culture after the US banned weapons in the occupation and cracked down on what they could have, after WW2.

My gun had better be harmful to somebody*... that's why I bought the thing!


*Somebody= Bad Guy

lol, JUST saw that commercial tonight for the first time and this was pretty much I was thinking.

All they really said however was that guns are harmfull, could be taken a couple ways. I really doubt that the writer has an anti-gun agenda woven into the script, probably is a nuetral and is just using his own common knowledge which has been influenced by tv, movies, etc. The worst way to learn about guns...

But what confuses me about our country is that somehow France (75%) has beaten us (20%) in terms of generating electrical power from SAFE, CLEAN nuclear sources. How could we have let this happen?

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Because the environmentalists have strong political connections that oppose nuclear power. We also haven't built a new oil refinery in over 30 years, for the same reason.

If those nutjobs really cared about the environment, and not just "sticking it to corporate america," they'd realize the environmental "impacts" of oil refinement could be hugely reduced, practicallly overnight, if they'd just let the companies build new refineries with post 1970's technology.

But they're not about the environment, they're about control. The decry our dependence on foreign oil, but won't allow us energy alternatives. (And NO, ethanol isn't a solution, nor is vegetable oil. Both require more energy to produce than they yield)

Lets not forget the most abundant and 'damaging' Greenhouse Gas is:
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Water Vapor!

O.M.G.! Who woulda thunk that!

Water is harmful just ask all the people that drown in it.

Here are my thoughts

1. The people who are interested in Fuel Cell vehicles NOW are MOSTLY but not all pretty far on the political left. (Ever seen an NRA sticker on Toyota Prius?)

2. Honda is marketing to a political left mostly anti-gun audience they are not worried about making a commercial look anti gun.

3. In my mind its no threat to gun rights

The anti-gun parts of the commercial are subtle - almost subliminal but they're there if you look.

That said what cracks me up the most and hasn't to the best of my knowledge been mentioned yet is Honda's assertion that by making a car whose exhaust is water vapor they are doing their part to help protect the environment.

Water Vapor is a green house gas and we all know what green house gases released by mankind are responsible for (at least according to the global warming crowd) don't we?

I thought the commercial was funny, but I still prefer to drive a 4300 lb tank. I only get about 18mpg, but i'm willing to buy a little more gas and drive something that can get t boned, drove home, and repaired with one door from a JY that cost 150 bucks.

Little cars just feel like tin cans to me. They wad up about as easy too.

My brother owned a Honda Prelude once. Man, was that thing a POS! One thing after another broke. When the transmission croaked for the SECOND time, he finally dumped it. I was driving a 10 year old F-100 at the time with 150K on it (and not one trip to the shop).

He traded the rice burner for one of those. He still has it. I traded mine for a Mountaineer. 147K on that now, and nothing but a tune-up and brake job. I don't have much faith in GM products, but I'll take a Ford over any Asian vehicle.

As for the commercial, who cares? It's certainly better than listening to the anti-2nd Hollyweird wackos, and then putting money in their pockets by paying to see the sorry excuses for movies made nowadays. Not that I do...

Yeah, Preludes are the lemon of the Honda family, from what I've seen. Not that American car companies don't have 'em.

I get the point of the commercial and I don't really find it anti-gun.

However, I don't think they did a particularly good job at depicting water as harmless, as the water guns were still blasting guys off their feet and through windows.

As an aside, water is one of the most dangerous forces on the planet, and also a source of intense phobia for many people. Should have stuck with the environmentally friendly angle, rather than "harmless".

Some of you need to seriously lighten up.