.22 LR Sniper Rifle?

Ratshooter,

My rifle is a 452 Special/Trainer. On the CZ-USA website it's called the Training Rifle. I can understand the confusion, the Training Rifle does not have a picture attached and the Lux is the closest thing to my rifle on the site. And for all intents and purposes, the Trainer and Lux are the same rifle. The only difference is that the Lux has a walnut stock, while the Trainer sports beech. My rifle has a beech stock.

I shoot my Savage MK II at 100 yards quite often. I haven't sat down and been precise with the scope, just got it shooting playing cards at 100 yards. But it's all factory, put a Bushnell scope on it and started shooting. Always using Federal bulk packs from Wally World. If I had a 200 yard range, I'd try it out at 200 yards. For a cheap factory .22 I'm suprised it can hit a playing card consistantly at 100 yards.

Thanks Kamagong. I thought the photo of your rifle looked like a hardwood stock and not walnut. I guess the website did confuse me. But i repeat, You have a sharp looking gun.

I'm on a 22 kick right now with ammo being so expensive. I love good quality guns. I will have my dealer get me a price on a gun like yours.

I have bought so many guns lately that i really need to slow down some. I think i have an addiction. On lottery tickets they have a number you can call if you think your in trouble.

I looked on the bottom of the last gun i bought to see if there was a number to the gun buyers addiction help line and the number was to my gun dealer.

I need help fast.

O.K. i went back to the CZ website and looked again. The 452 with a walnut stock has a 24" barrel and a 5 round mag. The hardwood stock has a 28" barrel and a 10 round mag.

Does your gun have the 28" barrel?

The photo looks like a 5 round mag.

Thanks for the compliment Ratshooter. I looked around for a Trainer for a long time. Then a month ago I went to a gun show and found three. Mine was the best looking of the bunch, obviously I bought it.

It has the 24.8" barrel. The magazine is of the five-round variety, I think it looks better.

I understand your addiction. I waited 30 years before I bought a gun. Now I have four in the span of eight months and I have a couple more on the way.

I am playing this game.....and owning several CZs I may be a bit biased....but my "sniper" 22........is the CZ Varmite.....floated heavy barrel...6X18 scope.......will honestly shoot five rounds....into 5/16 group......fifty yards.....no wind

I use this out to 200m (shooting face sized targets). Sounds like a pellet gun, handles well.

First, junp in your time machine, then go back to 1974 and get stationed in Neu Ulm FRG across the river from Ulm, purchase a little Anshutz sporter for US $69.50 from the Rod&Gun, join the KPSG 1870 gun club near Neu Ulm to improve on your basic shooting skills and hob nob with guys that built the rifle or tested it and enjoy shooting the little beauty for the next 33 hopefully plus years.

Sorry, couldn't resist it.

BTW .22LR "sniper" rifles have been recommended by the US military and some police planners for use in riot situations since the late 1960's. They were to be used to quietly remove agitators or those with weapons in a crowd. As to their actual use in riots, I have nothing solid.

The US Military used suppressed Ruger 10/22s late in the VN war.These were generally used at fairly close range in prisoner snatches rather than for any sort of long range shooting, but who knows. There are rumors of them being used on occasion to dispatch village dogs to prevent a patrol from being spotted right away (eventually some one WILL miss their dog)

I like the little Walther with the suppressor. A friend that is a licensed manufacturer of suppressors has made dedicated units that mimic a bull barrel on 10/22s, Marlin bolt actions, and a Norinco copy of the Browning 22 take down. They are a hoot to shoot and all of his I have handles would be accurate enough for mosst uses.

I have yet to shoot any of the CZs, but hear nothing but good things about them. Ages ago the Chinese imported a little knock off of a CZ sport rifle that was excellent in my experience and I can not imagine the real ones being any less accurate.

On the other hand there have been a few posters on THR that have reported excellent results from Marlin bolt actions.

A with most things it comes down to how much you want to spend and whose economy you want to most help.

Do keep in mind that especially with .22LR shooting the ammo cnaoften make the biggest single difference....if you don't have a three decade old Anshutz (another one got away)... and what some report as a tack driver with their choice of ammo might be ho-hum with your choice of ammo. For that matter two guns of the same make and model may have differnt ammo tastes.

Get what you are comfortable with among the recommended bolt actions above on this thread and chances are you can find a load of ammo that will make it accurate enough.

-Bob Hollingsworth

On the other hand there have been a few posters on THR that have reported excellent results from Marlin bolt actions.

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There is nothing wrong with a Marlin. I own several different manufactures of .22s, but it's the CZ 452 Lux that I always seem to grab, when I walk out the door.

Something like this...?


Romanian M1969 trainer...


50 yards, shot bent over a truck hood...

The flyer was probably me, on this particular target. I've since floated the barrel and taken all the high spots out of the action. I also smoothed the trigger, though I kept the weight - it's a hunting rifle.

Any flyers since have been me. The above work did away with all mechanical problems.

According to internet rumor and the site http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirear...tary-22-Caliber-Target-Training-Firearms.html , these were built by CZ under contract. I don't know for sure as I don't have in hand any material which says yay or nay.

Regardless, this sucker shoots, and though it may look a bit ugly, it works well. The rifle and additional parts I bought later come to about $135+tax. If you do your own work it really doesn't have to get much more expensive than that.

See "Squirrel Sniper" below.

Josh <><

You pretty much get what you pay for, with the exception of the CZs. They seem to have a great reputation for the price. If you are willing to spend a bunch, the Cooper, Anschutz, Kimbers, etc. are the way to go.

One of the things you get with the above rifles are superb triggers. A good 1.5 to 2.5 pound trigger makes all the difference in the world in a shooter's ability to hit small targets. The Savage Accutrigger is better than most, but it is not in the same class as those on the Coopers, Kimbers, etc..

I like to play around with accurate .22 sporters and have had most of the recommended guns at one time or another. My favorite squirrel rifle is now a Kimber. For bench/target shooting I built my own heavy sporter. It has a Sako Finnfire action, a Lilja barrel, a 6.5 to 20 power Leupold scope, and a Jewel 2.5 ounce (yes, ounce) trigger. It shoots well, but would actually be considered a 'beginners' rifle by true rimfire benchrest shooters.

Get a CZ for a reasonably priced rifle with a superb reputation. Buy a good scope (very important) and buy a trigger kit for it. If you want to spend more, the choices are unlimited with used real target rifles maybe the best bargains.

My wife loves her Stevens mdl 62 with a 3-9x30 scope. She hits golf ball at 100yds. all the time. Then again she does the same thing with my AR!!

I feel fortunate to have gotten all my eligibility papers into the CMP three years back. I just finally got tired of dragging my feet and watching the supply of USGI Garands dwindling and increasing in price. The added and unexpected bonus was the release of several batches of really nice target rimfires. After I received my first Garand order I started to read off a couple of CMP related sites and read quite a few threads about guys getting the rimfire rifles as sold by the CMP when they had them.....rifles like the Remington 40X, Winchester 52D, Remington 513T, and such. I thought those days were gone, but a small trickle of those rifles have been sold since then. I have gotten those rifles plus the H&R M12, Mossberg 44US, and the Kimber 82G rimfire rifles. As the Army receives these returns from ROTC units and such they have been turned over to the CMP for sale. I gotta think few are remaining to be returned and sold. Now with the price of ammo going up it is nice to have some quality rimfire rifles to shoot in place of the centerfire ones.

My Kimber has done just fine out of the box. The factory test target was 5 shots, 50 yards, .333" CTC.

"Sniper Rifle"

you guys oughta know: That anti's (among others) Google the word "Sniper" more than often...... If you don't care to give them fuel, so be it. My take is:
Why call it anything but a rifle? We need less "shtf" mentality when it comes to open forums and more careful wording. Just my take and $.02

+1 !!

I have a ruger 10/22 that I like pretty well. for the money I think its a great starter 22.

I consider my self a pretty good shot.

With the CZ-452 Special out of the box and not broken in, I was able to consistent hit a 3" x 3" steel target with open sights at 100 yards. I was seated indian-sytle with no supports, firing Remington Golden bullet, maybe 7 out of 10. When I swapped the blade sight for a peep sight, adjusted the stock trigger and broke the rifle in, I improved that to 10 out of 10. When I mounted a scope, my 100 yard groups got down to about 1 inch.

A better shooter could conceivably tighten those groups.

"I looked on the bottom of the last gun i bought to see if there was a number to the gun buyers addiction help line and the number was to my gun dealer.:"



Now thats 's funny

I'll throw down my vote for the CZ 452. I've got two now. One in 22Lr and the other in 17 HMR. Both will outshoot anyone who has shot them. Great guns at an awesome price. I'll never buy any other brand of rimfire, except the Browning Buckmark rifle I've wanted since I was a kid.

+1 on marlin
Marlin 982vs Love it. 22 mag is the way to go in a bolt gun. I get quarter and nickle size groups at 80 to 100 yds with no wind.I ts a beast on groundhogs, coyotes and more.

Joshua M. Smith - what scope is that on your Romo M69?

i really like mine and have to agree that it takes folks by surprise when they see how accurate it is. plus i love the folding leaf sights

it really deserves nicer wood and refinished metal...but as one of my teachers once told me "the Com-Bloc shooter/guns have everything for accuracy and nothing for appearance"

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Hello,

It's an FM Optics FM432CRG. Lighted reticle, AO, the works.

I never heard of them, so I decided to try them out. Thus far it's proving itself to be a tough little 'scope, and pretty good for the money. I have few complaints. It has a one year warranty as well.

Should it become necessary to replace it, I have a line on a Weaver V22 for about $60, no bells or whistles, just a solid 'scope.

However, I'm curious by nature, and bought this over the Weaver to try out.

The light gathering ability is such that I went out last night and cut a branch at 25yds. 9:30pm. Overcast sky. In the country. Snow flurries.

I'm impressed thus far, and will be very happy if it holds up.

Josh <><